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    I want to know more aboout the TSR Libertarian Party's Euthanasia policy. When they say they have legalised it. Do they mean all forms of euthanasia? Voluntary and non-voluntary? Because they say they're "-allowing people to decide how they want to die" but non-voluntary is still a form or euthanasia but the person is unable to request to die but it may be the kindest thing to do? Having said that I will be glad is (voluntary only) is legalised.
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    encourage more courses such as cooking, metalwork, engineering etc and stop treating them as second class subjects. Make sure the education system caters for everyone, rather than a select few and stop pushing university as the only route to a good job. Bring back more apprenticeships and make it worth a business's while to take on an apprentice.

    Obviously these arent necessarily measures the party would take, im talking from a personal rather than party viewpoint here.

    yeah, when I got to choose my options we were already down to only being able to choose 2 subjects we wanted to do. Now that humanities are compulsory (I chose history and geog so it wouldnt have affected me anyway) I know they're down to a choice between hist. and geog, and can only pick one other subject. Far too many compulsory subjects. THe only problem is there are academic kids that are late bloomers, take Einstein for example, his teachers told him he would never achieve anythign in life. The current system is far too rigid and cant cope with pupils that dont show their talents at an early age.
    Rather than the problem being that you don't show talent at an early age i'd say it may harm those who think in an abstract way. For Einstein to do what he did means that clearly he was bright but likely thought in an unconventional way and quite often in some exams there's only supposed to be one right answer and one way to get there.

    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    I saw a tipped over shopping trolley sell for 2000 euro in Austria once. It represented something or so I was told.
    You can sell a cow in India for that price, my uncle told me that when he went he was told by a guide that if somebody was in the road with a cow he should run the person over rather than the cow because if he did, he'd be beaten for it (this was a good decade or so ago).

    (Original post by Tuerin)
    'Left' generally refers to left-wing in both those areas. The advancement thing was more in terms of thinking in novel ways rather than relying on traditional/conservative attitudes; doing so has in the past advanced the species in that broader sense.
    Intensely flawed then, not all of the 'right' is interested in tradition and conservatism in the meaning of the word sense.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Intensely flawed then, not all of the 'right' is interested in tradition and conservatism in the meaning of the word sense.
    As I said, I wasn't advocating it. But I think it's fair to say that most conservatives are interested in conserving attitudes, systems, hierarchies. Clue's in the name, really.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Intensely flawed then, not all of the 'right' is interested in tradition and conservatism in the meaning of the word sense.
    Most of it is. They want to protect the people at the top. Look at their policies! Conservatives want to cut tax for businesses. ​Enough said
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    (Original post by MattFletcher)
    Most of it is. They want to protect the people at the top. Look at their policies! Conservatives want to cut tax for businesses. ​Enough said
    Correction, Conservatives have cut taxes for businesses.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    It's a joke, largely based off of the misspelling of empirical. The last part is really just there to serve the joke about modern art.

    Apart from that, it was a devious ploy to lose UKIP votes among arts students.
    Fair enough, i'm used to some academic snobbery so reacted badly to it. Sorry. Although i still think it was a pretty bad joke.


    (Original post by Tuerin)
    I think you're confusing me with someone else - we weren't having a discussion, I just interjected by pointing out the only half-serious point about spelling.

    Of course you can read scientific articles if you are a bad speller; but my confidence in someone being able to expertly apply empirical science to the education system is drastically decreased when they can't even spell 'empirical science'.
    Whoops, sorry, as i said, doing a couple of things at once so not really been looking at usernames. More the content of the post.

    Fair enough, although that's based on terrible logic. Spearman's (im pretty sure it was him anyway) theory of general intelligence is horribly outdated. Just because i may not be able to spell, or may make a mistake once in a while, it doesn't mean i am not intelligent in other areas. Some people suffering from autistic spectrum disorders are bad spellers but don't necessarilly make terrible academics. Also, unlike the poster i was talking to previously, who was using his own dogma to make a (false) point, i provided evidence which you are more than welcome to review. I don't expect anyone to take my word on anything, because i am aware of the bias present in debate, which is why i provided researcher and theory names.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    He's with the Libertarians - so it would be nice if you would correct that please.
    Whoops, done, sorry
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    As I said, I wasn't advocating it. But I think it's fair to say that most conservatives are interested in conserving attitudes, systems, hierarchies. Clue's in the name, really.
    Many old members share those beliefs sure but the future of the Conservative Party is much more liberal and less traditional (the Libertarian Party on TSR is probably an early sign of this given most of these likely align with the Tories).

    I have little interest in preserving attitudes, people are free to believe what they like. Which systems? There is always a hierarchy, some people lead and others follow but in the sense you may be aiming at i will say.. 'Equality of opportunity but not outcome'.

    (Original post by MattFletcher)
    Most of it is. They want to protect the people at the top. Look at their policies! Conservatives want to cut tax for businesses. ​Enough said
    Heaven forbid we could encourage businesses to succeed.

    I have little interest in keeping people rich, i want a nation in which aspiration can be achieved but equally if you are undeserving then you will fail.
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    (Original post by MattFletcher)
    Most of it is. They want to protect the people at the top. Look at their policies! Conservatives want to cut tax for businesses. ​Enough said
    Pardon me, but who on earth will provide employment if you do not cut taxes and make it less expensive to invest?
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    (Original post by meenu89)
    Pardon me, but who on earth will provide employment if you do not cut taxes and make it less expensive to invest?
    Don't worry, the government will employ everybody and tax the business owners to pay for it..... Oh wait, they've gone abroad.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    Whoops, done, sorry
    Thanks. I'll have to amend mine now as well.
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    (Original post by MattFletcher)
    I want to know more aboout the TSR Libertarian Party's Euthanasia policy. When they say they have legalised it. Do they mean all forms of euthanasia? Voluntary and non-voluntary? Because they say they're "-allowing people to decide how they want to die" but non-voluntary is still a form or euthanasia but the person is unable to request to die but it may be the kindest thing to do? Having said that I will be glad is (voluntary only) is legalised.
    The bill itself may be found here: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1988733


    But to answer you question, voluntary only, and with conditions and safeguards attached to that.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    The bill itself may be found here: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1988733


    But to answer you question, voluntary only, and with conditions and safeguards attached to that.
    Thank you for the response, interesting and agreeable policy
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    Whoops, done, sorry
    Damn, my despicable scheme to lose them votes with the huge demographic that is arts students who've read through to the 15th page of the comments and can't take a joke has been foiled. Come mutley!

    Also, wacky races is on youtube.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Don't worry, the government will employ everybody and tax the business owners to pay for it..... Oh wait, they've gone abroad.
    Playing devil's advocate you could always make it illegal for them to go abroad.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)

    i will say.. 'Equality of opportunity but not outcome'.


    Your party seems to be advocating neither. Unless that's the point you were making?
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    (Original post by politixx)
    Playing devil's advocate you could always make it illegal for them to go abroad.
    Then they can just dissolve and re-establish elsewhere under a new name or the same name if it isn't already registered in country of incorporation.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Then they can just dissolve and re-establish elsewhere under a new name or the same name if it isn't already registered in country of incorporation.
    I don't remember many businesses going abroad in Nazi Germany.
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    (Original post by politixx)
    I don't remember many businesses going abroad in Nazi Germany.
    Largely because there weren't many to go. Remember that Hitler's rise came off the back of the Great depression and hyperinflation in Germany.
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    (Original post by politixx)
    I don't remember many businesses going abroad in Nazi Germany.
    Actually yes, a lot (well depending on what a lot is, they were still in the depression mind) did but you most likely didn't hear about it as they were Jewish also most were owned by the state or the state was being good to them, most people here don't seem to favour business at all and thus if TSR MHoC tried the same, we'd see business, capital and job flight. The UK would be screwed.
 
 
 
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