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    (Original post by arrow900)
    Well his name is Abdullahi (albeit spelt wrong) which literally means "servant of Allah".
    So I think its safe to assume he is Muslim lol.

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    You get a lot of Christians with that name , and Abdul-esque names are just common across the world, even amongst non-muslims.

    I'm Daniel for example..but I am not a Jew, nor am I a Lion of God.

    I agree though he probably is.
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    (Original post by TheAnusFiles)
    Wonder why. Ok I have three questions

    1) Why do you not worship the Greek gods. Do you disbelieve or can you simply not be bothered?

    2) Can you disprove the existence of a giant invisible dragon that lives on the dark side of the moon?

    3) If you believe so strongly in theism, why do you follow Islam specifically?

    these are very simple questions. Please answer each individually and one at a time to keep the discussion organised
    1) I am an agnostic theist. I believe in some higher entity commonly known as God but I choose how I live my life. I believe because it is a 50/50 toss up between Atheism and Theism, and my life experiences suggest to me that a God exists.

    2) No you cannot prove nor disprove its existence if we are assuming that this Dragon leaves no trace whatsoever on the moon. If it leaves a trace than a scientific experiment can be designed to test its existence.
    If you had given a human being rather than an invisible dragon as the example then yes, it is entirely possible.

    3) Once again I am an agnostic theist who does not follow any specific religion.

    Are you convinced now that if it is possible to prove that God exists it must also be possible to disprove that God exists?
    As no proof has been provided in either cases it is a 50/50 guess as to which you choose to believe in.

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    What was it specifically that made you leave Islam?

    Im sure there are many reasons.
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    (Original post by Kutta)
    Right, anyway back to watching the BBC
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Right, anyway back to watching the BBC
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    You get a lot of Christians with that name , and Abdul-esque names are just common across the world, even amongst non-muslims.

    I'm Daniel for example..but I am not a Jew, nor am I a Lion of God.

    I agree though he probably is.
    i am
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    (Original post by abdulahi)
    i am
    In that case

    Posts like the ones I quoted are the reason the Muslim community is looked upon like we are all a bunch of throbbing dicks.

    Pack it in, or I will throw a tantrum like a three year old, and it will not be pretty.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    In that case

    Posts like the ones I quoted are the reason the Muslim community is looked upon like we are all a bunch of throbbing dicks.

    Pack it in, or I will throw a tantrum like a three year old, and it will not be pretty.
    you cant say i didnt speak the truth though
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    (Original post by abdulahi)
    you cant say i didnt speak the truth though
    You could have couched it much better.

    However to laugh about it?
    That's just you being vindictive.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    You could have couched it much better.

    However to laugh about it?
    That's just you being vindictive.
    once again, you cant say i didnt speak the truth.

    EDIT: i didnt actually laugh it was a "pfftt" kind of lmao
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    (Original post by abdulahi)
    once again, you cant say i didnt speak the truth.

    EDIT: i didnt actually laugh it was a "pfftt" kind of lmao
    You can speak the truth and still be a **** about it.

    It's always better to be nice.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    You can speak the truth and still be a **** about it.

    It's always better to be nice.
    how would you reword what i said
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    (Original post by abdulahi)
    how would you reword what i said
    "So you know brother , the Qur'an and the Hadith of the Prophet(pbuh) is very clear that the punishment for one who willingly engages in homosexual activities is that of hellfire, you probbably are aware of this but I just think that engendering such a punishment for an act of the flesh might not be the best decision for you, either way I wish you the best with the struggles you are obviously having and may you be guided by the Allmighty in this regard".

    Or something like that.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    "So you know brother , the Qur'an and the Hadith of the Prophet(pbuh) is very clear that the punishment for one who willingly engages in homosexual activities is that of hellfire, you probbably are aware of this but I just think that engendering such a punishment for an act of the flesh might not be the best decision for you, either way I wish you the best with the struggles you are obviously having and may you be guided by the Allmighty in this regard".

    Or something like that.
    firstly, i didnt know he was gay, eww

    secondly what i wrote is way more effective than what you wrote, get straight to the point
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    (Original post by abdulahi)
    firstly, i didnt know he was gay, eww
    He's not...holy **** I am confusing this with the Muslim who was battling his Homosexuality thread, my bad...it's late..I am tired.

    Just replace Gay with Atheist.

    Yours might have got straight to the point, but do you know what it did?
    It alienated him and it's aggressive nature would ensure that he would ignore your point.

    Friendliness and politeness always wins over, aggression and rudeness.
    Why else do you think Dawah teams call people to Islam through polite debate, lively events, friendship and inclusion and don't just stand there shouting "CONVERT TO ISLAM OR GO TO HELL!!!"*

    So when a brother leaves Islam, we as Muslims need to be sympathetic and supportive to him, not blunt and condemning.

    Especially in this month.

    *Actually some people do do that....they don't take many Shahaddahs.
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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    how was this irrelevant to anything i've said? and to the other post, i wouldnt call that a debate either since her arguments completely disintegrated within like 2-3 replies. you're currently showing similar incompetence.



    lol i've looked at this much more than you, a muslim, has done. dont assume things that i may know or may not know.
    yeah you're pretty simple. regarding your last sentence, i say instead of copying links you haven't properly looked into, why dont you argue why it is incorrect or not factual.

    the qurans strongest scientific miracle claim, embryology, is bs vague poetic verses construed as a scientific miracle. what you don't know is that those verses are much more suitable to the scientific knowledge already available in the time of the quran. in particular, greek embryology. aristotle wrote that bones develop then the flesh over it. infact if you actually see both cases of embryology in the quran and by aristotle, it becomes apparent that they all use the similar vocabulary in similar order: sperm, menstrual blood and flesh moulding over bones. thereby, it is very very unlikely one can credibly construe alaqah, nutfah or whatever to fit modern science and not aristotles greek science. but then you're also talking about your special leech like clot, based on the term 'alaqah', a leech like substance or a clinging substance - according to your modern day muslim apologists.

    but the term easily refers to a 'blood clot', especially according to most trusted translators including Yusuf Ali and Pickthall, and many others. Of course someone like you would just say they are wrong. the term blood clot, as mentioned before, also lucidly corresponds with science of the hellenic perioid, which was amply available to them at the time. further furthermore, arabian scholars around the time also explain embryology in a similair fashion to the quran and the hellenic period, that we form from sperm and menstrual blood, im not going to spend too much time and itemise them, in the age of information you go do that yourself, but some names (among others) such as al-tabari and al-razi support that alaqah refers to blood clot, not a clinging substance. so use your brain to see what term 'alaqah' is most likely to refer to. if this isn't enough, just google on your own time. plenty have debunked this claim much more extensively and thoroughly, that it is impossible to still stand by this claim without being an narrow minded stupid idiot.

    i thought the embryology claim is unbeatable too at first, arguably the qurans strongest miracle claim (the rest are weak), yet it completely falls apart with some common sense and being open-minded a little. but im sure you've already assumed im wrong before even reading what i've wrote, which is but a fraction of the argument debunking the embryology claim. in fact, it was this claim in particular that finally made me leave islam.
    The same Aristotle that claimed the concept of the menstrual blood coagulating to form the embryo.



    I rest my case .

    "but the term easily refers to a 'blood clot', especially according to most trusted translators including Yusuf Ali and Pickthall, and many others. Of course someone like you would just say they are wrong."

    They are correct but you ignore the fact it has two other meanings which both relate to embryology.

    "Professor Abdul Haleem OBE mentions that "′alaq can also mean anything that clings: a clot of blood, a leech, even a lump of mud. All these meanings involve the basic idea of clinging or sticking.""

    Also:

    "Arabic words are generally based on a “root” which uses three consonants to define the underlying meaning of the word. Various vowels, prefixes and suffixes are used with the root letters to create the desired inflection of meaning.
    The root word from which the word “alaqah” is derived is the word “Aa-la-qa.” It has the general meaning of “to cling” or “to suspend.” By employing various grammatical manipulations on this root you can come up with many derivations, each of which is closely associated with the concept of “clinging or suspending.”"



    Also about the prophet plagarising from Aristole:

    "Firstly, Aristotle believed that only the male produces fluid (the genetic material) responsible for the creation of the embryo. In his book “On The Generation of Animals” he supposes the male semen to be the active form and the female ovum as providing only the passive element for fertilization [6]. This is an idea contradictory to modern embryology and even Prophetic tradition, as Muhammad (pbuh) explained in a hadith (narration of his as recorded by his close companions) that the materials of fertilisation are a combination of fluids “from a male and from a female” [7].


    In fact, Aristotle was of the opinion that semen mixed with women’s menstrual blood, coagulating to form the embryo. Aristotelian accounts of human development are evidently incompatible with both the Qur’an and modern embryology.
    Secondly, Aristotelian views on human development include that male embryos are generated on the left side of the womb, and female embryos on the right side of the womb [8]. This is an incorrect concept that the Qur’an does not mention.

    Thirdly, Aristotle held the belief that the upper body is formed before the lower body [9]. Again, this incorrect idea does not exist in the Qur’an." "
    6 – Aristotle. Generation of Animals. English trans. A. L. Peck, Heinemann. 1942 edition, page 111, 729a.
    7 – Ahmad, vol 1 page 465.

    8 – Aristotle. Generation of Animals. Translated by A. L. Peck. Heinemann. 1942 edition.
    9 – Aristotle. Generation of Animals. Translated by A. L. Peck. Heinemann. 1942 edition.

    If he did copy him, why did he only copy the correct parts??. People who scrutinise these ayah's claim he copied what was already known. Yet you don't take into consider the fact that they weren't correct and had major inaccuracies to modern day embryology. Yet the Qur'an did not copy those mistakes so either this happened:

    -The prophet was a scientific genius. Unlikely seeing as he had no education.
    -He plagiarised it but some how knew which parts were wrong and didn't include them.
    -Or it came from God. The only viable one.


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    lol i've looked at this much more than you, a muslim, has done. dont assume things that i may know or may not know."

    Which you have done. Hypocrite much :rolleyes:

    The Qur'an is not a scientific book and never claimed to be, it merely tries to explain things in the hope it will inspire us to turn to the correct path.




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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    to a muslim, your faith is stronger than real world facts. you regard faith very highly.

    read that slowly and absorb it in properly. if you lack basic reading comprehension skills, then don't write.
    Grow up silly child.
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    (Original post by ridwan12)
    The same Aristotle that claimed the concept of the menstrual blood coagulating to form the embryo.



    I rest my case .

    "but the term easily refers to a 'blood clot', especially according to most trusted translators including Yusuf Ali and Pickthall, and many others. Of course someone like you would just say they are wrong."

    They are correct but you ignore the fact it has two other meanings which both relate to embryology.

    "Professor Abdul Haleem OBE mentions that "′alaq can also mean anything that clings: a clot of blood, a leech, even a lump of mud. All these meanings involve the basic idea of clinging or sticking.""

    Also:

    "Arabic words are generally based on a “root” which uses three consonants to define the underlying meaning of the word. Various vowels, prefixes and suffixes are used with the root letters to create the desired inflection of meaning.
    The root word from which the word “alaqah” is derived is the word “Aa-la-qa.” It has the general meaning of “to cling” or “to suspend.” By employing various grammatical manipulations on this root you can come up with many derivations, each of which is closely associated with the concept of “clinging or suspending.”"



    Also about the prophet plagarising from Aristole:

    "Firstly, Aristotle believed that only the male produces fluid (the genetic material) responsible for the creation of the embryo. In his book “On The Generation of Animals” he supposes the male semen to be the active form and the female ovum as providing only the passive element for fertilization [6]. This is an idea contradictory to modern embryology and even Prophetic tradition, as Muhammad (pbuh) explained in a hadith (narration of his as recorded by his close companions) that the materials of fertilisation are a combination of fluids “from a male and from a female” [7].


    In fact, Aristotle was of the opinion that semen mixed with women’s menstrual blood, coagulating to form the embryo. Aristotelian accounts of human development are evidently incompatible with both the Qur’an and modern embryology.
    Secondly, Aristotelian views on human development include that male embryos are generated on the left side of the womb, and female embryos on the right side of the womb [8]. This is an incorrect concept that the Qur’an does not mention.

    Thirdly, Aristotle held the belief that the upper body is formed before the lower body [9]. Again, this incorrect idea does not exist in the Qur’an." "
    6 – Aristotle. Generation of Animals. English trans. A. L. Peck, Heinemann. 1942 edition, page 111, 729a.
    7 – Ahmad, vol 1 page 465.

    8 – Aristotle. Generation of Animals. Translated by A. L. Peck. Heinemann. 1942 edition.
    9 – Aristotle. Generation of Animals. Translated by A. L. Peck. Heinemann. 1942 edition.

    If he did copy him, why did he only copy the correct parts??. People who scrutinise these ayah's claim he copied what was already known. Yet you don't take into consider the fact that they weren't correct and had major inaccuracies to modern day embryology. Yet the Qur'an did not copy those mistakes so either this happened:

    -The prophet was a scientific genius. Unlikely seeing as he had no education.
    -He plagiarised it but some how knew which parts were wrong and didn't include them.
    -Or it came from God. The only viable one.


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    lol i've looked at this much more than you, a muslim, has done. dont assume things that i may know or may not know."

    Which you have done. Hypocrite much :rolleyes:

    The Qur'an is not a scientific book and never claimed to be, it merely tries to explain things in the hope it will inspire us to turn to the correct path.




    I assumed well seeing as you lacked the integrity to learn and write yourself, as I've done, but instead copy pasted everything. I could easily reply in the same fashion or as I did before, but I won't waste much time arguing with someone who initially lacked any knowledge in the topic and spent a day or more catching up on it.

    -The quran is not a book of science, thereby embryology was explained succinctly with omissions, why on earth should it write on everything Aristotle mentioned? Its explanation of embryology is not incongruous with Aristotle's simply because it did not mention everything Aristotle did. What a silly thing to say.

    -Google translate. Really.

    -Abdel Haleem translated the Quran recently. As a muslim, he can write clinging form in the Quran as he pleases if it seems to him a scientific miracle.

    -Even if it did refer to clinging, which is unlikely, how is this miraculous because a leech looks wiggly like an embryo? One line in the entire Quran can convey many things with this magic word Alaqah? Or just a perfectly plausible coincidence. Is this about clinging, blood clot or a leech? Choose whichever (or how many) to construe to your liking - if common sense isn't part of the factor.

    -Again, what are you even talking about 'copied only correct parts'? Lol, I did not say Aristotle was correct, but his views were the general scientific knowledge at the time (that was amply available to the arabs). Both him and the Quran are wrong. The prophet did not have any way of knowing what was right because none of it was strictly correct.

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    is that meant to 'shock' me?

    i grew out of 4chan way before you discovered it, little grasshopper.
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    (Original post by LickySplitty)
    Shush, babes. <3 I'm sending you these because I love you and I want to seduce you.
    kl

    keep it up, you'll get to the level of ultimate degeneracy one day

    have fun
 
 
 
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