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Replace it with this:

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why can't camilla be queen?
kate isn't actually a descendent of a royal just like camilla isn't
There's actually a reason I'll look it up hold on


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Couldn't find it, just kept saying she would be princess consort which is what Phillip is


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(Original post by paul514)
There's actually a reason I'll look it up hold on


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(saw your second reply too)
well that's strange - I'd also be interested to know the reason behind it
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(Original post by paul514)
Camilla can't be queen just like Phillip isn't a King
Camilla will be Queen Consort; unlike with male Consorts, for females, the regal title is automatically bestowed when the spouse ascends to the throne. Under common law, the wife automatically assumes the equivalent rank of her husband. It does not go the other way, however.

That's not to say she won't be addressed publicly in a different manner, akin to how she is called 'Duchess of Cornwall' even though she is Princess of Wales.
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I'm just confused at this point it must be some sort of Royal bloodline fix


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Why on earth would we abolish the Monarchy?
It's completely undemocratic, defies values of equality and one shouldn't be in a position of such power just because they were born into a certain family. The monarchy has no place in a progressive democracy.
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It's completely undemocratic,
It's perfectly democratic.

defies values of equality and one shouldn't be in a position of such power just because they were born into a certain family. The monarchy has no place in a progressive democracy.
That's the ideological side, sure, but the practical always trumps, IMO.
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It's perfectly democratic.
How is having an UNELECTED head of state in the slightest democratic?


That's the ideological side, sure, but the practical always trumps, IMO.
What is practical about a monarchy? It is my understanding that plenty of countries across the globe have no monarchy and i am not aware of them having any constitutional problems.
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(Original post by AspiringLawyer01)
What is practical about a monarchy? It is my understanding that plenty of countries across the globe have no monarchy and i am not aware of them having any constitutional problems.
Oh, they may not be collapsing into anarchy but that doesn't necessarily mean they are doing tons better either...

Anyway, I'm not going to retread old ground, just can't be bothered. Read back in this thread and the many previous, tired old threads for a summary.
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Never.
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No we should not abolish the monarchy


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I believe it should be abolished. It's undemocratic, archaic and, in practice, useless. It flies in the face of values that sit at the cornerstone of our modern society: democracy and meritocracy.
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Of course.
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I believe it should be abolished. It's undemocratic, archaic and, in practice, useless. It flies in the face of values that sit at the cornerstone of our modern society: democracy and meritocracy.
And yet, in polls, they had an 80% approval rate
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And yet, in polls, they had an 80% approval rate
First, let's not over-egg the pudding. Monarchy approval ratings - whilst at an all-time high, admittedly - generally fluctuate between 65-70% depending on the poll and the structure of the question.

Second, and more importantly, people's support for the monarchy often hinges on emotion; for many, it fosters up a sense of patriotism and nostalgia. It's like a big pantomime show - and the general public lap it up; royal weddings, Prince George, what Kate's wearing etc. Frankly, it's quite facile - this is a constitutional issue, people seem to forget that. In addition, I suspect that when people are judging the monarchy, often they're just expressing satisfaction with the reigning monarch at that time (i.e the Queen). If, for example, Charles - who famously has much lower public satisfaction ratings - were the King, I imagine monarchy approval ratings would much less clear-cut.
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First, let's not over-egg the pudding. Monarchy approval ratings - whilst at an all-time high, admittedly - generally fluctuate between 65-70% depending on the poll and the structure of the question.

Second, and more importantly, people's support for the monarchy often hinges on emotion; for many, it fosters up a sense of patriotism and nostalgia. It's like a big pantomime show - and the general public lap it up; royal weddings, Prince George, what Kate's wearing etc. Frankly, it's quite facile - this is a constitutional issue, people seem to forget that. In addition, I suspect that when people are judging the monarchy, often they're just expressing satisfaction with the reigning monarch at that time (i.e the Queen). If, for example, Charles - who famously has much lower public satisfaction ratings - were the King, I imagine monarchy approval ratings would much less clear-cut.
Firstly, let's not lie about official polls. It's is 75-80%, 80% in the most recent. Would you like the link?

Second. You clearly don't know how Britain works. We do not have a constitution, so how can it be a constitutional issue. You seem to forget that the Queen brings in a huge amount of wealth and diplomatic relations to Britain. They do actually work, they don't just sit around all day. The Queen never stops working. Prince Charles may say some silly things, he has dementia though. Give the man a break. He will never see the crown.
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Firstly, let's not lie about official polls. It's is 75-80%, 80% in the most recent. Would you like the link?

Second. You clearly don't know how Britain works. We do not have a constitution, so how can it be a constitutional issue. You seem to forget that the Queen brings in a huge amount of wealth and diplomatic relations to Britain. They do actually work, they don't just sit around all day. The Queen never stops working. Prince Charles may say some silly things, he has dementia though. Give the man a break. He will never see the crown.
Just because it isn't codified doesn't mean there isn't a constitution

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Just because it isn't codified doesn't mean there isn't a constitution

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Correct, but a constitution HAS to be a written document. Britain has no such document.
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Correct, but a constitution HAS to be a written document. Britain has no such document.
ummmm, no it doesn't... it can be written across several documents, include unwritten elements, or be completely unwritten, does not mean it does not exist.
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