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    (Original post by ellie0497)
    But this is a LAW.

    I think if it was a law for Muslim doctors to kill homosexuals, it would be worse but it is not. Making discrimination and hatred a law is absolutely disgusting.

    She can say it does not legalise discrimination when in actual fact it DOES.
    and as stated

    and does not in any way legalise discrimination
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    and as stated

    and does not in any way legalise discrimination
    So for businesses to deny service to gay people is not discriminating?

    Allowing businesses to refuse service to people based on their sexual orientation perpetuates intolerance.
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    Theres no place in the quran where it says homosexuality is punished by killing.
    But Mohammed prescribed it as a punishment, didn't he? You know, the bloke who is sent as a model of behaviour for all people in all times.


    al-Tirmidhi (1456), Abu Dawood (4462)and Ibn Maajah (2561) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
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    (Original post by ellie0497)
    So for businesses to deny service to gay people is not discriminating?

    Allowing businesses to refuse service to people based on their sexual orientation perpetuates intolerance.
    As has been stated this is not the intention of the law and if it is used this way then it will be challenged

    But yes any Law that discriminates is bad but is it really worse that a law that kills people for being gay?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    But Mohammed prescribed it as a punishment, didn't he? You know, the bloke who is sent as a model of behaviour for all people in all times.


    al-Tirmidhi (1456), Abu Dawood (4462)and Ibn Maajah (2561) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

    Thanks for the reply

    This hadith is emphasising how bad the action is in islam. The quran is the law and it is not mentioned in there.

    Also note 4 witnesses have to testify for any trial like this. What would be the chances? This hadith is displaying the severity of this crime
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    But yes any Law that discriminates is bad but is it really worse that a law that kills people for being gay?
    Obviously not, but any law that allows people to take actions that affect other for reasons of superstitious belief is a bad one.
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    Thanks for the reply

    This hadith is emphasising how bad the action is in islam. The quran is the law and it is not mentioned in there.

    Also note 4 witnesses have to testify for any trial like this. What would be the chances? This hadith is displaying the severity of this crime
    The hadith certainly does what you say, but it goes much further in establishing that Mohammed set a precedent (and he is a role model, remember) for Moslems to follow.

    Four witnesses are only needed if there is no confession. Are you aware how easy and common it is, even in these enlightened times, to extract a confession, even a false one?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The hadith certainly does what you say, but it goes much further in establishing that Mohammed set a precedent (and he is a role model, remember) for Moslems to follow.

    Four witnesses are only needed if there is no confession. Are you aware how easy and common it is, even in these enlightened times, to extract a confession, even a false one?

    Well seems as youve convinced yourself tht muslims will follow the above hadith they will also follow the rest i.e. not lie or cheat.
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    Well seems as youve convinced yourself tht muslims will follow the above hadith they will also follow the rest i.e. not lie or cheat.
    We already know they do lie and cheat; you only need to read the newspapers and court reports to see that.

    Are you seriously arguing that no Moslem would ever attempt to use force or cohersion to extract a confession from a supposed homosexual?
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    Thanks for the reply

    This hadith is emphasising how bad the action is in islam. The quran is the law and it is not mentioned in there.
    You're saying hadith is not used when establishing "laws"?

    Get outta here!

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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    We already know they do lie and cheat; you only need to read the newspapers and court reports to see that.

    Are you seriously arguing that no Moslem would ever attempt to use force or cohersion to extract a confession from a supposed homosexual?
    A true muslim never would. A bad human might yes. Wht your implying is tht all mslims are evilhuman beings. So id rather not convrse with a bigot
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    As has been stated this is not the intention of the law and if it is used this way then it will be challenged

    But yes any Law that discriminates is bad but is it really worse that a law that kills people for being gay?
    I don't think anyone can use the intention argument to apologise for this law.

    If that were the case, the doctor would be excused due to his "intentions".

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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    A true muslim never would. A bad human might yes. Wht your implying is tht all mslims are evilhuman beings. So id rather not convrse with a bigot
    No true Scotsman fallacy
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    A true muslim never would. A bad human might yes. Wht your implying is tht all mslims are evilhuman beings. So id rather not convrse with a bigot
    Don't use the No True Scotsman fallacy. Moslems can't agree among themselves what a true Moslem is.

    No. I'm saying that Mohammed (you do agree that Moslems believe him to be perfect and the role model to follow, don't you?) told Moslems what to do with homosexuals.

    You accuse IS of having no Islamic justification for their depravities. Yet here it is in black and white, from the lips of Mohammed himself. You cannot deny that IS has Islamic justification, from the highest level, for killing homosexuals.

    I don't accuse all Moslems of anything (apart from having outdated superstitious beliefs, obviously). I am thankful that large numbers of them are reasonable and sensible in most aspects of their lives.

    However, I do believe that Islam is a hateful and aggressive ideology, formulated in mediaeval times by a desert warlord to control and influence his superstitious followers, which should not be followed by educated human beings in the twenty-first century.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    "Out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now" = (religiously motivated) incitement of violence. He should be in jail

    You know enough to know that it's a divisive, oppressive, and violent retrograde ideology that has no place in enlightened society

    We stopped executing homosexuals pre-Victorian era :yy:
    So why do people choose to follow it?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    So why do people choose to follow it?
    You know the answer: a combination of poor education and merciless indoctrination from an early age.

    If you indoctrinate as religious parents do, you will succeed, ninety-nine times out of a hundred, in producing someone who has the same superstitious beliefs you do, as the Jesuits have always known.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    You know the answer: a combination of poor education and merciless indoctrination from an early age.

    If you indoctrinate as religious parents do, you will succeed, ninety-nine times out of a hundred, in producing someone who has the same superstitious beliefs you do, as the Jesuits have always known.
    Hmmmm my parents weren't even believers of Christ and I was raised in a Christian household with Christian values :dontknow:
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    Allah ****ing Ackbar

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/07/isis-t...video-5802636/
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Hmmmm my parents weren't even believers of Christ and I was raised in a Christian household with Christian values :dontknow:
    It's no coincidence that you're a Christian while having been raised in a Christian household with Christian values. Had you been raised in a Hindu household with Hindu values, you'd be just as sure of Hinduism's truth as you are of Christianity's even though they are completely different worldviews.

    This is indoctrination.
 
 
 
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