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    (Original post by Khaar)
    Wearing the niqab isn't extreme. It is Islam. The wives of the prophet (pbuh) wore it.
    There are parts of Islamic ideology that much of the world (including many Muslims) consider to be "extreme". The mandatory wearing of the niqab/burka is just one.
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    (Original post by Butternuts96)
    Ohhh, I misinterpreted your words and accidentally repped you. My bad. The OP knows how TSR works.

    1. Post something immigrant/muslim related
    2. Some people reply back explaining something
    3. Gang of islamophobes join in bashing Islam from all directions.

    Any idiot KNOWS how these things go down. OP ain't looking for an "intellectual discussion".
    Do you think that those societies/communities that see the enforced wearing of the niqab, burqa, etc, as Islamic should be supported or condemned (in the context of that issue)?
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    (Original post by Butternuts96)
    Read my previous reply, OP knew this and wasn't looking for intellectual discussions.
    Just because someone isn't looking for an intellectual discussion, doesn't mean that you shouldn't give them one.
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    (Original post by Butternuts96)
    14. Women can refuse sex, no husband can force it without it being a sin (although Allah will judge a women for it IN THE AFTERLIFE if she refuses without a valid excuse eg menstruation/headache/illness)
    A woman who refuses her husband sex will be "cursed by angels until she awakens" - (Bukhari & Muslim)
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    Those photos are really sad, they look like dementors from the Harry Potter films..
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    (Original post by Butternuts96)
    This is one of those that have not been explained fully by God. All questions about Islam that us muslims have to ask God, we will get the chance to ask him on Day of Judgement. One of the things to look forward to!
    And what if he replies "Because I created women intellectually inferior to men, so that their testimony cannot be relied on to the same degree". Would you just accept that?
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    (Original post by RegrettingAS)
    Men are designed to work long rough hours, as opposed to women.
    Not me!

    Another interesting fact is that in the US suicide rates are higher than ever at around 7% and divorce at over 25%. On the other hand, in Islamic countries these are almost zero. Feel free to search and validate these facts online.
    In a country where everyone fully believes in a particular religious ideology, that people follow that ieology is not really remarkable.

    BTW, suicide rates are higher in The Islamic Republic of Pakistan than they are in the UK. How do you explain that? And why is Barbados and the Bahamas half the rate of Indonesia?
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    I find it ironic that as a male, you are projecting your own feelings of what the veil is onto the people that choose to wear them, in an effort to curtail and subvert their choices.
    Irony is the interstice between the literal, and its more subtle, subterranean & paradoxical layer of meanings. The Importance of Being Earnest is a masterpiece of irony.

    Your engaging in mere conversation; and being able to project one's ideas/passions/perceptions are the building-blocks of any culture.
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    I consider the veil a visible insignia of servitude & debasement of the women of Islam. A chadored woman has nothing to be ashamed off. She should proudly & contentedly look in the mirror and smile at her reflection. Her eyes, sensuous lips and graceful hair are intrinsic gems. Regrettably, any society warped around the Abrahamic religion infuses primitive sacrifice theory, shame & self-hatred. Consider why nuns also cover themselves from Corinthians:

    "But any woman who prays and prophecies with her head unveiled dishonors her head - it is the same as if her head were shaven, for if a woman will not veil herself then she should cut off her hair."

    The veil derives from an age in which women were treated as property for the gratification of men and child rearing. There is much obsession with vaginal purity, a wife's theological inability to refuse sex, wife beating (subject to the appropriate rod thickness as mandated by the Hadith, I believe). One also doesn't dodge the fact that Mohammed took a little girl as his wife. It's unnerving to see literate and cultured people twist & dislocate themselves trying to defend that abhorrent practice. (It reminds me of Nabokov's nymphetic Humbert Humbert. I instantly think of Mohammed.) Islam reduces women to the level of household furniture. Men of Islam don't wear the veil. This luxury is enforced on its womenfolk.

    Ultimately, I object to the subtle & delitescent essence the veil seeks to convey. Anyone with a scintilla of moral acuity would join me (unless, of course, religion has been welded to you to become a veritable bodily appendage).
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    (Original post by Pythian)
    Irony is the interstice between the literal, and its more subtle, subterranean & paradoxical layer of meanings. The Importance of Being Earnest is a masterpiece of irony.

    Your engaging in mere conversation; and being able to project one's ideas/passions/perceptions are the building-blocks of any culture.
    But making sure the spelling and grammar, in an effort for your opinion to sound comprehensible and hopefully, intelligible, is perhaps the first block that one should lay?
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    But making sure the spelling and grammar, in an effort for your opinion to sound comprehensible and hopefully, intelligible, is perhaps the first block that one should lay?
    I am grateful for reminding me to slow down as I type.

    I believe it was Oscar Wilde who once returned a manuscript to his publisher with the addendum: "I leave the full-stops, commas, exclamation marks, and the like to you ..." (paraphrasing of course)

    In that spirit, I happily concede the apostrophe (full-stops, comma, and various other pedantry & sophistry) to you; while consigning the "intelligible" & "comprehensible" heft of my post to those with a more vigorous mind.

    Good day.
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    (Original post by Pythian)
    I am grateful for reminding me to slow down as I type.

    I believe it was Oscar Wilde who once returned a manuscript to his publisher with the addendum: "I leave the full-stops, commas, exclamation marks, and the like to you ..." (paraphrasing of course)

    In that spirit, I happily concede the apostrophe (full-stops, comma, and various other pedantry & sophistry) to you; while consigning the "intelligible" & "comprehensible" heft of my post to those with a more vigorous mind.

    Good day.
    Perhaps the publisher was the one that actually made Oscar Wilde's work intelligible and comprehensible?

    Oscar Wilde may have been but a footnote in the pages of history if his publisher had not been of an obliging nature. :holmes:
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    (Original post by Khaar)
    Wearing the niqab isn't extreme. It is Islam. The wives of the prophet (pbuh) wore it.
    How is covering every inch of your skin and only showing your eyes not extreme? Of course it's extreme and implies women's bodies are nothing but sexual chunks of meat that have to be hidden from view.
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    (Original post by Khaar)
    You have a major inferiority complex. Calling yourself a Muslim, whilst looking down on your own God's laws just so you can pretend to be 'advanced'.
    Would you mind providing scriptural evidence from the Qur'an, (not the hadith because it's only the Qur'an that is supposed to be God's direct words) which unambiguously and unequivocally states that a women should cover her hair, and in the case of the niqab, everything except her eyes?
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    How is covering every inch of your skin and only showing your eyes not extreme? Of course it's extreme and implies women's bodies are nothing but sexual chunks of meat that have to be hidden from view.
    Lol. Actually it's the opposite. Showing every inch of your skin in order to appeal to men implies women's bodies are nothing but "sexual chunks of meat" that have to be exposed every opportunity they get. TV adverts aimed at men featuring half-naked women, magazines made especially for men featuring naked to half-naked women, etc. How can you say covering up sexualises women? That's hilarious. It's the opposite that achieves that and it's disgusting, and you can see to what a large extent it's been taken when people like you being to find it normal.
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    (Original post by RegrettingAS)
    Men are designed to work long rough hours, as opposed to women.
    Evidence for this?
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    Lol. Actually it's the opposite. Showing every inch of your skin in order to appeal to men implies women's bodies are nothing but "sexual chunks of meat" that have to be exposed every opportunity they get. TV adverts aimed at men featuring half-naked women, magazines made especially for men featuring naked to half-naked women, etc. How can you say covering up sexualises women? That's hilarious. It's the opposite that achieves that and it's disgusting, and you can see to what a large extent it's been taken when people like you being to find it normal.
    Don't start with the ridiculous clichés. Anyone who lives in the West will know that the overwhelming majority of women don't go round half naked showing cleavage and knickers. This is just the absurd narrative that "all Westerners are whores who do drugs and drink all day". Any Westerner can see that that is not true.

    And you're missing the fundamental point that in the West women have the choice to dress like that and cover up if they want to. In many Islamic countries there is no choice for women to stop wearing hijab etc.

    Of course being forced to cover up sexualises women, why do you think they're being forced to cover up in the first place, to protect them from UV rays?!
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    (Original post by Khaar)
    Wearing the niqab isn't extreme. It is Islam. The wives of the prophet (pbuh) wore it.
    Yeah and? So a bunch of women in the desert 1400 years ago wore a silly costume, and that means that women nowadays have to wear it too? Is that supposed to be an argument? Muhammad's wives went out into a field to relieve themselves, do you do that too? Do you eat like them, travel like them, live like them in any other way? No? Then why dress like them?
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    Lol. Actually it's the opposite. Showing every inch of your skin in order to appeal to men implies women's bodies are nothing but "sexual chunks of meat" that have to be exposed every opportunity they get. TV adverts aimed at men featuring half-naked women, magazines made especially for men featuring naked to half-naked women, etc. How can you say covering up sexualises women? That's hilarious. It's the opposite that achieves that and it's disgusting, and you can see to what a large extent it's been taken when people like you being to find it normal.
    The disgust in your post for people who choose to dress in another way to you, and your sense of moral superiority over them, is palpable. Tell me, given that it's pretty cold and wet in the UK at the moment, are you seeing lots of women out on the street swanning around half-naked in their underwear or bikinis? Are all the women you see in your daily life 'exposing themselves every opportunity they get' and 'showing every chunk of skin'? I bet they aren't. I bet they're wearing coats and thick clothes. But hey, don't let that get in the way of your judgememtal sneering. And yes, Muslim women being ordered to cover every inch is sexualising them, because it's saying that women's entire bodies are an erogenous zone, and if they expose even a tiny little bit of flesh, they will arouse men's lusts. Nasty stuff.
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    (Original post by yasminkattan)
    Lol. Actually it's the opposite. Showing every inch of your skin in order to appeal to men implies women's bodies are nothing but "sexual chunks of meat" that have to be exposed every opportunity they get.
    Restricting myself to the italicised red sentence above:

    1. Why do you assume that revealing skin is done to "appeal to men"?

    2. Even if we assume the first, what's wrong with flaunting your body to appeal to men?
 
 
 
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