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    (Original post by ServantOfMorgoth)
    Are you white?
    no, im Asian so apparently im intellectually superior to everyone now.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    I will interpret your lack of response as a concession.
    what lack of reply? Go back.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    So you don't believe in evolution then?
    That has got absolutely nothing to do with your flawed logic.
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    (Original post by george-90)
    It is East Asians, not all Asians. The average for East Asians is 106, Whites is 100, Blacks is 85 (in USA).

    The difference in cranial capacity between whites and east Asians is 1 cubic inch - not significant. The difference in cranial capacity between whites and blacks is 5 cubic inches.

    https://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredso...sen30years.pdf
    Totally inconclusive.

    You cant actually compare intelligence amongst races unless you control for all factors that could impact intelligence, in other words, the person's entire upbringing, which is obviously impossible to do in real life.

    And even when you try to adjust for it, e.g. comparing middle class black kids to middle class asian kids etc, results are still inconclusive and you typically dont get enough data points to conclusively say race causes differences in intelligence.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    what lack of reply? Go back.
    Wrong, I responded in page 10 and you had nothing to say back to me. Concession.

    (Original post by inhuman)
    That has got absolutely nothing to do with your flawed logic.
    Sure it does. If you genuinely believe that genetics/race have absolutely no bearing in differences then how do you explain sickle cells, epicanthic fold, lactose intolerance in native Americans...etc? The onus is on you to prove why intellectual capability is an inexplicable exception to the rule.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Wrong, I responded in page 10 and you had nothing to say back to me. Concession.


    Nope, you'll find i did. And i love how you're continuing this discussion using evidence from disreputable sources and when numerous times. people have pointed out flaws in your logic. But no one has time for that, you can keep holding your wrong, bigoted views.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Wrong, I responded in page 10 and you had nothing to say back to me. Concession.



    Sure it does. If you genuinely believe that genetics/race have absolutely no bearing in differences then how do you explain sickle cells, epicanthic fold, lactose intolerance in native Americans...etc? The onus is on you to prove why intellectual capability is an inexplicable exception to the rule.
    What onus? "Intelligence" is not even properly defined in this thread other then "muh IQ".

    You trying to compare biological facts with how certain people score on a man-made "test" shows that maybe you are the one that lacks what is discussed here.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    Nope, you'll find i did. And i love how you're continuing this discussion using evidence from disreputable sources and when numerous times. people have pointed out flaws in your logic. But no one has time for that, you can keep holding your wrong, bigoted views.
    Quote it then.

    (Original post by inhuman)
    What onus? "Intelligence" is not even properly defined in this thread other then "muh IQ".

    You trying to compare biological facts with how certain people score on a man-made "test" shows that maybe you are the one that lacks what is discussed here.
    Go on then, give me a benchmark which you would consider to be fair. As not only IQ but median income shows exactly the same trends I think you're going to have to do better than to conclude that is simply a coincidence.
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    I listen to Beyonce and Jay Z and my brain cells aren't that dead :sad:
    Investment bankers have a special brain cell probe which even top doctors don't have access to and can detect that some have died even when you, the owner of the brain cells, didn't realise.

    Also investment bankers are able to hear Radio 3 through their dental implants.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Quote it then.



    Go on then, give me a benchmark which you would consider to be fair. As not only IQ but median income shows exactly the same trends I think you're going to have to do better than to conclude that is simply a coincidence.
    No.

    You are proposing: "look here is a link this is why".

    You have absolutely no story other than some observed correlations. You are the one who has to prove something here, not we.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Quote it then.



    Go on then, give me a benchmark which you would consider to be fair. As not only IQ but median income shows exactly the same trends I think you're going to have to do better than to conclude that is simply a coincidence.

    Seriously mate, find it yourself.

    Really? You're repeating arguments to another person that people have already disputed and shown how wrong you are?
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    (Original post by inhuman)
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    Mate save yourself and ignore him, he's using arguments that people on this thread have already countered. He's a bigot and a moron, let him think he's superior but i bet he's to stupid to see the irony of it all.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    Mate save yourself and ignore him, he's using arguments that people on this thread have already countered. He's a bigot and a moron, let him think he's superior but i bet he's to stupid to see the irony of it all.
    Yea, I am realizing that too now.
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    (Original post by inhuman)
    No.

    You are proposing: "look here is a link this is why".

    You have absolutely no story other than some observed correlations. You are the one who has to prove something here, not we.
    Every species of animal geographically separated over a significant period of time develops differences due to natural selection and other factors. YOU have to prove why intelligence is the exception to that rule.

    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    Seriously mate, find it yourself.

    Really? You're repeating arguments to another person that people have already disputed and shown how wrong you are?
    I was the last person to respond in that discussion. You're just lying now and making a fool of yourself.

    No, you reject all proposed benchmarks thus far because it conflicts with your view. So why don't you give an example of an acceptable benchmark in your eyes? No, the last person I asked also ducked the question. I wish I didn't have to repeat myself but I guess people are incapable of reading.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Wrong, I responded in page 10 and you had nothing to say back to me. Concession.



    Sure it does. If you genuinely believe that genetics/race have absolutely no bearing in differences then how do you explain sickle cells, epicanthic fold, lactose intolerance in native Americans...etc? The onus is on you to prove why intellectual capability is an inexplicable exception to the rule.
    Clearly you don't know how the burden of proof works. You and other racists made a claim (ie Black people are less intelligent than other races), hence the burden is on you to prove that this is the case, not those denying your claim. So far you have not.
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    (Original post by Mr...)
    Why should minorities have to work to prove people wrong?His logic and reasoning is narrow and racist
    I don't but I don't cry around about racist this and racist that. I certainly don't expect my adopted countries to bend over for me
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    (Original post by Nidhoggr)
    Totally inconclusive.

    You cant actually compare intelligence amongst races unless you control for all factors that could impact intelligence, in other words, the person's entire upbringing, which is obviously impossible to do in real life.

    And even when you try to adjust for it, e.g. comparing middle class black kids to middle class asian kids etc, results are still inconclusive and you typically dont get enough data points to conclusively say race causes differences in intelligence.
    Yes yes, I know and I agree, and I never said or thought otherwise. Go back and read my posts. How did you manage to conclude that I was saying something contrary to your utterly irrelevant comment? All I did was supply the statistical data. It's like your looking for someone to disagree with.
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    (Original post by TrueDetective01)
    Shouldn't this serve as motivation for blacks to prove this banker otherwise? As usual, people on here are getting emotional for no reason
    why should we have to rpove ourselves to any white person lol bye
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    (Original post by WBZ144)
    Clearly you don't know how the burden of proof works. You and other racists made a claim (ie Black people are less intelligent than other races), hence the burden is on you to prove that this is the case, not those denying your claim. So far you have not.
    You've already been dusted mate. But I'll entertain you this time for fun.

    My claim is that all races on average have advantages and disadvantages due to separated evolution. The benchmarks of intelligence discussed have reflected this and in the same order.

    Your claim is that despite it being true that separately evolved animals have differences; intelligence is the ONLY exception to the rule.

    My claim is in line with the theory of evolution, while yours flies in the face of it. Hence the onus is on you.
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    Sure it does. If you genuinely believe that genetics/race have absolutely no bearing in differences then how do you explain sickle cells, epicanthic fold, lactose intolerance in native Americans...etc?
    Well that would never have probably been effectively triggered had it not been for the introduction of certain foods into the indigenous diet which they had not ingested before the period of colonialism and conquest. So there’s always an interaction, that’s true for most any trait.

    There is no reason to believe that those tendencies cluster on the basis of “race” for the simple reason that the racial designations that we currently use are principally based on three characteristics.

    1) Facial structure
    2) Skin colour
    3) Hair texture.

    Those are things that are controlled by six genes out of thirty thousand genes in the human genome and those genes have never been shown by any geneticist on the planet, any biologist on the planet, to be connected, or what geneticists call “concordant,” with any other trait known as intelligence or known as temperament or behavior or ethics or morality or any of those kinds of things.

    So - YES - even though individuals absolutely have certain genetic predispositions towards everything from certain diseases to the ability to sing, to play music, to jump high, to run fast, there’s no reason to believe that those things would cluster on the basis of this thing that we now call race.

    It’s the reason why you’ll find African Americans dominating in the NBA but you won’t find many West Africans, who are certainly “blacker” and according to the racist theorist, athleticism and blackness somehow run together, you would expect West Africans to dominate the NBA and African teams to dominate international basketball competitions. They don’t - because these things are not concordant on the basis of race.

    (Original post by Jebedee)
    The onus is on you to prove why intellectual capability is an inexplicable exception to the rule.
    The onus is one you to prove because if you’re saying black IQ is lower, in general, because blacks are “naturally” less intelligent. THAT sort of exceptionally radical statement needs exceptionally radical proof to back it up – proof which you simply don’t have. If you assume “race” as a biological subspecies you would have to assume a taxonomic hierarchy within the human species.

    Even Darwin already extrapolated that such hierarchy is incompatible with evolution theory.

    The only living subspecies of the species Homo sapiens is Homo sapiens sapiens. That is current scientific knowledge. And it is very likely to remain the only one, unless Sasquatch or the Yeti decide to walk into a science lab for a DNA test one day.
 
 
 
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