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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Or double plus goodthink, as Orwell called it.

    You already told us how you would ensure fairness by selecting the electorate to be people you think would agree with your "right answer" and including hurdles that couldn't possibly be jumped by those that oppose you.
    I think you'll find the electorate was rigged the other way, for example, what possible justification was there for excluding the young potential voters for whom this was the most impactful decision of their lives?
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    I wouldn't call a 4% margin as a crashing win though...it just shows how divided is the society. Looking at the reasoning of Vote Leave people, many of them had no idea what they're voting for. Like this one guy that said is to stop Muslims from coming to UK....really ?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    The vote was gerrymandered by excluding people who should have been allowed to vote and it was rigged by allowing unchallenged blatant lies to dominate the debate and it was illegitimate as a referendum because it was about settling an internal feud in the Tory Party.

    The results are plain to see this morning - the UK is already poorer and things are probably going to get much, much worse.

    I hope all the morons easily influenced by Nigel Farage's homespun casual racism and matey blokeish 1950s ******** are going to feel very pleased with themselves when jobless numbers surge and the whole country goes into a nosedive.
    No it wasn't gerrymandered. No it wasn't rigged. Lies were used on both sides of the argument.

    The UK is not in effect poorer. Economists are speculating what could happen, and the FTSE was lower in Feb.

    If you don't like living in a democracy, feel free to move to a different country with a different type of government.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I think you'll find the electorate was rigged the other way, for example, what possible justification was there for excluding the young potential voters for whom this was the most impactful decision of their lives?
    The referendum was run in accordance with all preceding national referendum and election practices. You'd have to justify any deviation from that.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    How can you be sure? We would need a third referendum to make sure.

    How long do you want this to go on for?
    It's not about what I want, it's about what the people want. Judging by the number of signers of this petition, the people want a second referendum. If you support democracy you'd respect that.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    Judging by the number of signers of this petition, the people want a second referendum.
    Well, no. Judging by this petition a proportion of those who didn't get their way want a second bite at the cherry. The rest are more mature (and this is a very childish reaction that demonstrates why under 18s shouldn't be given the vote) and know it is a futile exercise which, if granted, would be even more damaging and would lead to months of doubt, uncertainty and turmoil.

    Move on!
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    (Original post by geoking)
    No it wasn't gerrymandered. No it wasn't rigged. Lies were used on both sides of the argument.

    The UK is not in effect poorer. Economists are speculating what could happen, and the FTSE was lower in Feb.

    If you don't like living in a democracy, feel free to move to a different country with a different type of government.
    I want to live in the British democracy we are supposed to have, which is Parliament, not one dictated by Tory politicians and their allies in the extreme Right of UKIP and not one dished up by liars with hedge fund interests and offshored to **** like Hanhan and Farage and Lord Ashcroft and the twisted perverts who run the Daily Mail.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I want to live in the British democracy we are supposed to have, which is Parliament, not one dictated by Tory politicians and their allies in the extreme Right of UKIP and not one dished up by liars with hedge fund interests and offshored to **** like Hanhan and Farage and Lord Ashcroft and the twisted perverts who run the Daily Mail.
    Tory and UKIP politicians aren't part of Parliament?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I want to live in the British democracy we are supposed to have, which is Parliament, not one dictated by Tory politicians and their allies in the extreme Right of UKIP and not one dished up by liars with hedge fund interests and offshored to **** like Hanhan and Farage and Lord Ashcroft and the twisted perverts who run the Daily Mail.
    That's strange. I thought you wanted to live in a democracy that always did what you wanted to do. You asked for a new referendum a few posts ago.

    After all, you have a democracy run by parliament already. Parliament decided to allow the electorate to make this particular decision.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    What would these people have said if the situation had been reversed, eg. 52/48 for Remain and Brexiters making a petition for a new vote?
    Yes - of course they would given the closeness.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...rendum-7985017
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    (Original post by jneill)
    There is a petition calling for a 2nd Referendum.

    It's so popular it's crashing the gov site
    => https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7099996.html


    Edit to add: Over 1,400,000 signatures.
    This is now the most signed UK petition ever. By far.
    We live in a democracy Not a keep going till you get the result YOU want
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I want to live in the British democracy we are supposed to have, which is Parliament, not one dictated by Tory politicians and their allies in the extreme Right of UKIP and not one dished up by liars with hedge fund interests and offshored to **** like Hanhan and Farage and Lord Ashcroft and the twisted perverts who run the Daily Mail.
    Take off your tin foil hat. A referendum is the fairest form of government as it is asking the people directly what should be done.

    You just want your own way - that's a dictatorship, not a democracy.
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    (Original post by stev43219)
    We live in a democracy Not a keep going till you get the result YOU want
    c.f. Ireland.
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    (Original post by physicsphysics91)
    Because you refuse to accept the democratic result, its not hard to understand lol.
    It isn't democracy calling a referendum until you get the result you want
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    (Original post by jneill)
    c.f. Ireland.
    You mean the country that was widely ridiculed in Britain when it re-ran its referendum, and in which over 70% were unhappy that the re-run took place?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    You mean the country that was widely ridiculed in Britain when it re-ran its referendum, and in which over 70% were unhappy that the re-run took place?
    indeed.

    Still worked though
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    a second referendum makes perfect sense - even for leavers.

    Why be in a rush to leave?

    Lets make DOUBLY certain this really is what the country wants
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    It isn't democracy calling a referendum until you get the result you want
    Cameron chose the date of the battle, he brought 7bn's worth of funding (to leaves 2.8bn), he brought lots of 'expert' endorsements from the likes of David Beckham and Eddie Izzard and got BTFO by the working British public. Step aside lefties, your time is over.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Yes - of course they would given the closeness.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...rendum-7985017
    I'm not speaking of Farage, but the Remainers. What would they have said if they had won and Farage was calling for a 2nd referendum?
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    a second referendum makes perfect sense - even for leavers.

    Why be in a rush to leave?

    Lets make DOUBLY certain this really is what the country wants
    It makes no sense under a democracy, accept you remainers are a minority.
 
 
 
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