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    (Original post by Atlas Thugged)
    I agree there was an implication that the shooter did not like Turkish people, but that does not mean he was necessarily a White ethnic German and in fact people can be German without being ethnically German. The British media has used these two factors to completely misrepresent the situation to push its own political agenda.
    Even if that were the case, it would be that they were biased. But it wasn't even the shooter who said '****ing Turk'. The shooter did say that 'I am German', but it was another man saying that. But I was deliberately left with the impressionby the BBC, and I'm not blaming their whole report, but the newscaster left me with the view that the shooter said '****ing Turks', against logic and what is now seen to be the truth.

    The other thin is I thought I saw a very cursory acknowledgment that the footage was from youtube already, some days ago, and wasn't from that night, I mean if it was live then why hadn't they got there, it was up for ages, they hadn't got there and shot him. I'm not so sure about that bit, but we were definitely misled in the first case. More generally, maybe the elites take a patronising view and think we have to be protected from becoming evil and racist, but I think it may be rather more sinister than that and that this is part of divide and rule, as is the obliteration of the nation state and the mass migration, it all favours corporations too.
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    "Police said the gunman was a dual German-Iranian national who was born in Munich. His name has not been released. " - BBC

    So much for the right-wing nationalist theory...
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    (Original post by Atlas Thugged)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36874497

    The BBC just can't help itself.
    Can't help itself how? Can you not accept that the evidence that the police have acquired don't point to an Islamist?

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7152116.html


    ''Ali David Sonboly''


    ''identified by police as David S''
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    (Original post by qasidb)
    Can't help itself how? Can you not accept that the evidence that the police have acquired don't point to an Islamist?

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    I didn't say it was an Islamist did I? He's basically a rk9 type poster or an Elliot Rodger type attacker. Loner, bullied at school, no friends. The media narrative is pushing this idea of a neo-Nazi or a German and whilst I think neo-Nazi politics is damaging and nasty, it doesn't pose as much of a threat as, ironically, White liberals like to claim.
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    (Original post by Atlas Thugged)
    I didn't say it was an Islamist did I? He's basically a rk9 type poster or an Elliot Rodger type attacker. Loner, bullied at school, no friends. The media narrative is pushing this idea of a neo-Nazi or a German and whilst I think neo-Nazi politics is damaging and nasty, it doesn't pose as much of a threat as, ironically, White liberals like to claim.
    I agree that he's not a neo-nazi, but he certainly is German. Born in Munich, German citizenship, speaks fluent German with a slight Bavarian accent. Don't see how he's not German.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    Honestly, looking at this objectively, I think it is pretty safe to say he was one of these beta uprising types, not an islamist.
    This to be honest. It doesn't seem very politically or religiously motivated at all. The person's background points towards a troubled teen who had an extremely unhealthy obsession with mass murders.

    But then again, it doesn't surprise me that people are trying to frame it as everything but that. Everyone has an agenda these days...
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    (Original post by cipi)
    "Police said the gunman was a dual German-Iranian national who was born in Munich. His name has not been released. " - BBC

    So much for the right-wing nationalist theory...
    direct link to breivik investigated by police, he could've easily been inspired by him to attack
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    (Original post by nexttimeigetvpn)
    you realise like 7/9 of the Paris attackers were French/Belgian nationals? Same applies with the Brussels bombing, and so many other attacks. Taking in refugees ain't the problem buddy
    Many terrorist attacks have been done by 'refugees' in Europe. We do not need these people here full stop. They have absolutely no use for our society and are simply a threat. Also, what about all of the sexual assaults being done by these refugees, or people being attacked for the way they dress such as at the French holiday resort.

    It is absolutely insane that we are letting these people in. It will stop soon in the UK thanks to Brexit, but it needs to stop elsewhere too. Now.
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    (Original post by Saylo66)
    We do not need these people here full stop. They have absolutely no use for our society and are simply a threat.
    Way to go Mr. Compassionate. People are having their homes bombed, their friends and relatives killed and when they make a perilous journey over here and knock at the door you're telling them to bugger off.

    The pinnacle of humanity, ladies and gentlemen - behold!

    It will stop soon in the UK thanks to Brexit, but it needs to stop elsewhere too. Now.
    Yeah, please tell other countries how to handle their immigration affairs. I am sure they will politely ignore you.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    I'm sorry, do you know me? If you want a sensible answer out of me you'd do well to speak to me with a modicum of respect, never mind demonstrate reasonable proportionality (suggest you redact this puerile comment). Cheers :top2:
    I'll decline your suggestion; I'm sorry if the truth hurts Your post after the one being quoted perfectly demonstrates your hysterical, alarmist perspective. You've quoted a bunch of random statistics showing religious people hold conservative views - how shocking! What you failed to notice was the lack of majority support amongst Muslims for many of the more dangerous/worrying positions, and whether Islam as opposed to geopolitics is the prominent factor behind Muslims holding many of these positions.

    Absolutely hysterical! We've been sustaining the Muslim population in Europe just fine; in fact, I'm surprised most of the Muslims in Europe haven't declared a war on the British government for its colossal failures in the Middle-East in terms of foreign policy.
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    (Original post by NotAboutLies)
    You guys realise that the shooter is a white male Neo-Nazi?


    Lets leave the Islam bashing to another day
    (Original post by NotAboutLies)
    False.


    The shooter is as white as snow.
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    In the end both sides were wrong.

    It was neither a facist neo nazi nor an Islamic terrorist.
    Now can we stop pointing fingers and trying to twist this to suit our respective agendas and discuss the actual problem here which is how he was able to acquire a weapon in the first place, the similarities between this and the columbine massacre and how mental health and bullying should be taken more seriously? :yep:
    You know? Like grown adults?
    Or is that too much for tsr and it's obsession with identity politics?
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    (Original post by StrawbAri)
    In the end both sides were wrong.

    It was neither a facist neo nazi nor an Islamic terrorist.
    Now can we stop pointing fingers and trying to twist this to suit our respective agendas and discuss the actual problem here which is how he was able to acquire a weapon in the first place, the similarities between this and the columbine massacre and how mental health and bullying should be taken more seriously? :yep:
    You know? Like grown adults?
    Or is that too much for tsr and it's obsession with identity politics?
    The entire world Is obsessed with identity politics at the moment. Mental health should be dealt with, but guns shouldn't be taken from the hands of law abiding citizens because some crazy people decide to abuse that power.
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    (Original post by Lujubi)
    Source because reports say otherwise.

    The Guardian reports that the police say there is no indication of Islamic Terrorism. Please read posts and the news before you start posting ignorant things. How insensitive.
    all reports ive seen are conflicting at the moment. can you explain to me whats ignorant about saying the root of most current terrorism needs to be confronted - people calling stuff like this is insensitive are part of the problem, it forbids rational and considered discussion on how terrorism must be stopped.

    post as many hashtags as you like, change your fb picture if it makes you feel any better, but it doesnt help those who have died and those who will die in the future because of the West's being too frightened to confront the ideological roots of terrorism
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    (Original post by Sir Fox)
    Way to go Mr. Compassionate. People are having their homes bombed, their friends and relatives killed and when they make a perilous journey over here and knock at the door you're telling them to bugger off.
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    So our own people must die and we must be turned into a third world country so that we can save people from across the world? Why don't they seek refuge in countries nearby to them instead such as Turkey? They want to come here because we have the best standard of living, healthcare, benefits that we pay for them etc.
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    (Original post by Saylo66)
    So our own people must die and we must be turned into a third world country so that we can save people from across the world? Why don't they seek refuge in countries nearby to them instead such as Turkey? They want to come here because we have the best standard of living, healthcare, benefits that we pay for them etc.
    They do seek refuge in neighbouring countries. If you look at the statistics, of all the migrants entering Europe, not all that many end up here in Britain.
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    The perpetrator is a muslim. Case closed.

    The left can try to link this to Breivik as much as it wants but it does not change the fact that the guy is a child of immigrants.
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    (Original post by slaven)
    The perpetrator is a muslim. Case closed.

    The left can try to link this to Breivik as much as it wants but it does not change the fact that the guy is a child of immigrants.
    And if a shooter was ever the child of two white people then they are automatically neo-Nazis/white supremacists.

    In other words, f*ck off.
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