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Yes. He's the best statesman on the programme tonight by some margin. It would be a crying shame if he loses his seat.

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Here here. He's probably the most likeable.


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Well like I said having been to sandwich and broadstairs there is a lot of anti-UKIP there.

FPTP...
Shy tory/Shy UKIP voters will swing it I think.
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Come May 8th, he'll be crying.
Most likely. Ah well

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In an ideal world, we would revert to the old course and have a minimal government that had little purpose other than in balancing the books and upholding the rule of law. In the ideal world, it would be the duty of the rich to look after the poor. One nation conservatism will always be the way forward in my mind, and this can be achieved by providing financial incentives for the rich, i.e tax breaks, for providing properly for employees. This leads to increased profits, increased profits - business growth. Business growth - more jobs. More jobs - less people on benefits - less expenditure on benefits, which can result in government retrenchment.


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In an ideal world we would have a bigger state and indeed a global one.
and the rich shouldn't do the right thing because they are paid to, capitalism will fail and profits especially on vital services are immoral.
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Cleggers is doing quite well. He's responded decently to the questions on his decision to go into coalition and that unemployment question was just plain nasty. Genuinely hope he keeps his seat in Sheffield.
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Shy tory/Shy UKIP voters will swing it I think.
Seeing how the average UKIP voter is I can't see there being a shy-UKIP.
anyway it seems like labour voters might vote Tory to block farrage,
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I may be a Tory, but Cleggers actually talks a lot of sense.


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Seeing how the average UKIP voter is I can't see there being a shy-UKIP.
anyway it seems like labour voters might vote Tory to block farrage,
I think your sweeping generalisation of over a quarter of the electorate that voted in the Euro election are as biased and closed to change as your extreme left wing views.
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Seeing how the average UKIP voter is I can't see there being a shy-UKIP.
anyway it seems like labour voters might vote Tory to block farrage,
I disagree. I think ukipperS will vote Tory to block labour, seeing as ukipperS don't pose a real threat
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Cleggers is doing quite well. He's responded decently to the questions on his decision to go into coalition and that unemployment question was just plain nasty. Genuinely hope he keeps his seat in Sheffield.
Here here. It would be a terrible pity.


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I may be a Tory, but Cleggers actually talks a lot of sense.


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That's because the rational side of the right is liberalism.
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I think your sweeping generalisation of over a quarter of the electorate that voted in the Euro election are as biased and closed to change as your extreme left wing views.
And how much of that was media fuelled? How much of that was protest? Most of the people voting UKIP I know (from school) say that they are "doing it for the lol'z" I think my writing of UKIP is the same as writing off the greens, but UKIP can't last without farrage.
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And how much of that was media fuelled? How much of that was protest? Most of the people voting UKIP I know (from school) say that they are "doing it for the lol'z" I think my writing of UKIP is the same as writing off the greens, but UKIP can't last without farrage.
Does that matter? As you so rightly stated this is FPTP and the votes (no matter how they are gained) will swing it in a constituency.

Suzanne Evans. That is all.
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Comparing the UK to Greece may have been hyperbole but apart from that, a very good performance by Clegg. He won the audience's respect which is something that both Cameron and Miliband didn't particularly achieve.

Clegg: A
Cameron: B
Miliband: B-

All three parties will probably be happy with how their respective leaders faired.

Credit to Question Time for mostly getting the mix right with the audience as well. The right amount of toughness and assertiveness achieved. QT would be more watch-able if this could be maintained every time.

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Here here. It would be a terrible pity.
I believe the Ashcroft Poll for Sheffield had a quarter of Tory voters tactically voting for Clegg there. It should enough to keep him in.
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Comparing the UK to Greece may have been hyperbole but apart from that, a very good performance by Clegg. He won the audience's respect which is something that both Cameron and Miliband didn't particularly achieve.

Clegg: A
Cameron: B
Miliband: B-

All three parties will probably be happy with how their respective leaders faired.

Credit to Question Time for mostly getting the mix right with the audience as well. The right amount of toughness and assertiveness achieved. QT would be more watch-able if this could be maintained every time.



I believe the Ashcroft Poll for Sheffield had a quarter of Tory voters tactically voting for Clegg there. It should enough to keep him in.
Completely agree

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In an ideal world we would have a bigger state and indeed a global one.
and the rich shouldn't do the right thing because they are paid to, capitalism will fail and profits especially on vital services are immoral.
And how will this bigger state be funded? By taxing the richest, presumably. The rich should do the right thing anyway, but they won't, people need incentives and that is exactly why your idea that 'capitalism will fail' is fundamentally flawed. If you remove financial incentive for people, they will not work. If you have a system of communism where those with the intellect and ability to perform vital roles, (doctors, lawyers etc) that require a certain calibre of person, have no incentive to perform those roles and work hard, they simply won't do the work. That means that the country is less efficient, as there are gaps in vital areas that provide vital services. The reality is, people do not work hard in particular jobs because they feel like it, in most cases, they work hard because they will earn more. If you dispute this point, you need only look at Russia under the communists; it crumbled because its economy was stagnant, and Gorbachov's movements closer to capitalism, through Glasnost and Perestroika, failed. People, fundamentally, work for their own gain, and therefore, capitalism is the only way forward.

Whilst I agree that there is a morality issue with profiting from vital services, at least those vital services are being provided.
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Both please.

Thatchers for me and another for thehistorybore if he's having another one, as well as whatever you're having.

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Does that matter? As you so rightly stated this is FPTP and the votes (no matter how they are gained) will swing it in a constituency.

Suzanne Evans. That is all.
It makes me wonder if it's likely but I'd really rather he doesn't get it.

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