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    (Original post by vee_wuvshugs)
    Oh Moffat. The love/hate relationship we have is definitely a strong one. I really wish RTD returned to write for the 12th Dr. That's never going happen though.
    Yeah it's a shame, but honestly I thought deep breath was better than most of the standalone episodes in series 7 (perhaps apart from time of the doctor, 50th anniversary and time of the doctor and the angels ep). It was miles better than the opener for Clara tbh
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    (Original post by alpen)
    Yeah it's a shame, but honestly I thought deep breath was better than most of the standalone episodes in series 7 (perhaps apart from time of the doctor, 50th anniversary and time of the doctor and the angels ep). It was miles better than the opener for Clara tbh
    I didn't bother watching the first half of season 7 when Clara became his companion when it aired. Moffat isn't suited to writing a whole series but damn he can make a good standalone plot. I guess that's why Sherlock is so good. I have to agree, this first episode was brilliant. I loved all the sly comments about the old Doctors "The girl in the fire place" is one of my favourite episodes so I really appreciated the (near) continuation of the plot. I feel a new side of the Dr was revealed when he abandoned Clara and I think we'll be seeing a lot more of it. This was definitely Jenna's best performance to date!! And the call though...
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    (Original post by snowyowl)
    I have to respectfully disagree with you. I'm GLAD there won't be any romance. It's about time! Romance between the Doctor and anyone else just kills the show for me.
    I can see where you're coming from but the dynamic between her and Smith was really good - flirty but developing pretty organically into a deeper and clearly mutual affection. I agree that romance should not distract from the rest of the story/characterisation but done well I think it can definitely add to the depth of the character and create engaging plots. The girl in the fireplace is, in my opinion, one of the best episodes ever and romance is absolutely central to the emotional significance of that.
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    You could fit two whole extra episodes in all the *******s in Doctor Who these days!

    What happened to light hearted, throwaway, one-off stories?

    Now it's all so epic and "meaningful", and they keep shoehorning romance in all over the place.

    Capaldi is good though.
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    I thought Missy could of been another reincarnation of the Tardis.

    I think Peter Capaldi is a great actor and is brilliant at being the Doctor but I'm not too sure on the episode It felt kind of boring to me unfortunately.
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    (Original post by katiiiiie)
    I thought Missy could of been another reincarnation of the Tardis.

    I think Peter Capaldi is a great actor and is brilliant at being the Doctor but I'm not too sure on the episode It felt kind of boring to me unfortunately.
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    Missy is pretty obviously the person who called Clara and who left the message for them both in the paper imo, my guess right now would be a regeneration of River Song, I know the whole "married" thing but as a new incarnation she may not think of it quite that official anymore?
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
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    Missy is pretty obviously the person who called Clara and who left the message for them both in the paper imo, my guess right now would be a regeneration of River Song, I know the whole "married" thing but as a new incarnation she may not think of it quite that official anymore?
    Maybe so, I also thought during the episode it would of been River Song but when I thought about it further I kinda got to the whole Tardis reincarnation thing. Just because of the way Missy presented herself, quite like Idris did. I hope we get to find out soon enough though
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    (Original post by katiiiiie)
    Maybe so, I also thought during the episode it would of been River Song but when I thought about it further I kinda got to the whole Tardis reincarnation thing. Just because of the way Missy presented herself, quite like Idris did. I hope we get to find out soon enough though
    I imagine we'll have to wait for the season finale for most of the answers tbh, they like to make us wait lol
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    (Original post by Feefifofum)
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    Capaldi is fantastic. He played it just the way I hoped he would, so I'm really excited to see how he develops the character.

    The episode was ok, decent but not fantastic. I am bored of Vastra and her gang, although I do like the fact that they are occasional companions - I like it when there are characters that pop up from time to time without being in every episode (like Captain Jack used to do, for example). It makes the Doctor's world seem a little bigger than just companion + Tardis.

    BUT I didn't like the ending. At all. I think it's pointing to a Moffat-style OH NO WHO IS SHE WHAT DOES IT ALL MEEEEEEEAN where there are no clues, just mystery that gets resolved 3 years later.

    Which leads me to my final point - I want Moffatt to go. I am totally sick of his style, and I really wish that he'd left at the same time as Matt. As long as he stays then his foibles are going to stay - overly complex plots with no subtlety, and every female character being written the same way. Moffatt does "feisty" women, who have little else to their personality. I like women to be feisty, but not every woman is the same and it takes away from the immerse element of the show when the characters are too similar. Amy = River = Vastra = Clara = Jenny = all the others. They may have tiny differences, but the basic personality is the same each time and it's just too boring as a viewer.
    Agreed. Also the whole "we must make it super clear they are lesbians, and of course emphasis that really Clara is in love with the Doctor and useless without him as what are women without men? Unless of course they are transspecies lesbians and therefore have a shock factor..." :sigh:
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    Did anyone else notice when Clara holds here breath She doesn't hold her nose?-the clockwork droids may be idiotic but that doesn't explain why She collapsed because it is easy to simply close your mouth and you can't stop yourself breathing without your nostrils being closed and they weren't during the scene.
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    Did anyone else notice when Clara holds here breath She doesn't hold her nose?-the clockwork droids may be idiotic but that doesn't explain why She collapsed because it is easy to simply close your mouth and you can't stop yourself breathing without your nostrils being closed and they weren't during the scene.
    you can hold your breath without having to close your nostrils, she collapsed due to lack of breath - when you hold your breath you don't inhale - mouth or nose.
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    (Original post by greeneyedgirl)
    Agreed. Also the whole "we must make it super clear they are lesbians, and of course emphasis that really Clara is in love with the Doctor and useless without him as what are women without men? Unless of course they are transspecies lesbians and therefore have a shock factor..." :sigh:
    Its not a stupid agenda against women, its simply showing Clara for what she is, she has always been a bit like this... its good that Moffat gets it out and then the story can move on and new things can happen.
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    (Original post by alpen)
    Its not a stupid agenda against women, its simply showing Clara for what she is, she has always been a bit like this... its good that Moffat gets it out and then the story can move on and new things can happen.
    True, Clara was always been smitten with smiths doctor, but the issue is that Moffat only ever writes female characters that act that way - Clara, Amy, even river have all been like love sick puppies at the heart of it.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    True, Clara was always been smitten with smiths doctor, but the issue is that Moffat only ever writes female characters that act that way - Clara, Amy, even river have all been like love sick puppies at the heart of it.
    Yeah its annoying - bring back a Doctor/Donna relationship anyday!
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    (Original post by alpen)
    Yeah its annoying - bring back a Doctor/Donna relationship anyday!
    Donna is my favourite companion. Hope the next one is like her!


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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    you can hold your breath without having to close your nostrils, she collapsed due to lack of breath - when you hold your breath you don't inhale - mouth or nose.
    You can't just simply choose to inhale when you want to you act as if a person can control their bodily functions.You are only aware you are inhaling when taking a deep breath.After looking this up it seems as if it is possible to hold your breath without closing your nose but it seems strange that the Doctor and Clara seemed to assume everyone could do it in the episode.If you can hold your breath without closing your nostrils can you do it without closing your mouth? and if not why(a bit of topic I suppose).
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    True, Clara was always been smitten with smiths doctor, but the issue is that Moffat only ever writes female characters that act that way - Clara, Amy, even river have all been like love sick puppies at the heart of it.
    Exactly, which is why I was disappointed to find the new villain(?), "Missy" is a woman. Nothing wrong with female villains of course, but Moffat simply cannot write female characters without resulting to stereotypes. Women in Dr Who these days are usually useless and/or overly sexualised characters who flirt with the male characters constantly.



    As for Deep Breath, it was extremely poor overall. The last 20 minutes or so were pretty good, but the 55 minutes that preceded it were almost unwatchable. The "patanoster gang" (or whatever their stupid name is) are awful, they are a constant reminder of the show's downward spiral from fantastic family drama to childish CBBC-style dross. Slapstick humour and recycled jokes revolving around the sontaran's stupidity follow these characters into every scene. Oh and did anyone know that the silurian and her maid are lesbians? Don't worry if you didn't, the hints are so subtle (/sarcasm).

    But once the episode moved on from this silliness, it was (mostly) smooth sailing. Peter Capaldi finally got a chance to shine a bit after getting over his post-regeneration confusion, however he certainly doesn't have his own style yet as the whole scene was quite Smith-esque (probably down to the writing). I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of him. Capaldi promised fans a "darker" Doctor Who but the only glimpse we got of that in this episode was the ambiguous scene of the robot leader's death.

    Let's hope the Daleks are used properly in the next episode, it's been a while since there was a memorable Dalek story.
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    Surprised noone has suggested the Rani yet.
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    I was so dissapointed with yesterdays episode The writing and characters are simply just not as good as they used to be...the plotline wasn't unique or interesting, the characters are cheesy and boring, it almost seems like they have made it really childish with all the slapstick humour? I dont know, just in comparison to the storylines of Christopher Eccleston/David Tennants seasons, there is a clear different in quality

    Also forgot to say...I cannot believe they changed the intro and the Tardis!!! Not happy about that...:unimpressed::unimpressed:
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    You can't just simply choose to inhale when you want to you act as if a person can control their bodily functions.You are only aware you are inhaling when taking a deep breath.After looking this up it seems as if it is possible to hold your breath without closing your nose but it seems strange that the Doctor and Clara seemed to assume everyone could do it in the episode.If you can hold your breath without closing your nostrils can you do it without closing your mouth? and if not why(a bit of topic I suppose).
    Breathing is performed by contraction and relaxation of the diaphragm - a muscle that lies between your chest and your abdomen. Stopping your diaphragm from contracting/relaxing will stop breathing - whether or not you have your nostrils or mouths closed. All adult humans can do this. We have voluntary control over our breathing.
 
 
 
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