The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

the Ottomans saved Jewish people from genocide in Europe by sending in fleets of ships and taking in all of the Jewish people and throughout history Jewish people have lived in Muslim communities and nations without any genocide or hatred occurring..

It's 14 years old. Look, I can copy and paste from Wikipedia, too:

"However many remain sceptical of Hamas's new stance, and view it as a ploy to hide its true agenda."

I'd like to see how this stat was compiled because over 40% of Gaza has been invaded by Israelis, so the Gazans are crammed in to the remaining portion. 'Officially' and reality are two different things when it comes to Gaza and where the borders lie

I don't think a temporary ground invasion counts as 40% being taken up.

Facts are facts kid.

When the BBC tell you it's the most densely or one of the most densely populated places - you'll now know they're talking bull

French is not merely a nationality. The Frankish people have a long history, way before Charlemagne even. They are a people.

Hamas are the aggressors. "Palestine" has been offered the two state agreement on numerous occasions, once with 94% of their demands and they rejected for war on Israel, so who are the terrorists?

When 3 nations gang up on you like 1967 and talk about destroying Israel, we clearly know who the aggressors are. I wish the Israeli's well and no loss of innocent human life.

Every one of the myths Israel is using to justify its continued apartheid and genocide has been very effectively debunked below:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/gaza-israel_b_5624401.html

What's more if you examine these Hamas-Israel conflicts over the past ten or so years, you will find that it is Israel which has broken ceasefires almost every time without any kind of provocation from the other side.

Let's face it- anyone who is anti-Palestine is using a pro-Israeli facade as a cover for their hatred for ordinary Muslims (incidentally Christians also suffer and are humiliated by the Israelis).

that dude in the video has a really weak argument tbh


"What would you do, if you were the Israeli prime minister? How would you deal with people who want you and your entire population dead?"

Well for starters, I would get out of their homeland.
And I wouldn't cut down food, electricity, medicine supplies and the basic human rights of the original people who used to live where I do. 

So the oppressed should run away and hand over their homes and land. Are you serious? They have centuries of history.

Since when was it acceptable to support ethnic cleansing (that is what it is), annihilation of an indigenous people by force and genocide?

Hamas and religious extremism are red herrings. Israel are the state terrorists. Israel are oppressing people, stealing their land, massacring them in the streets, cutting off food and water supplies. When people are desperate, they tend to fight back with any means possible (Hamas). Do you seriously expect Arabs to live on less than 20% of the land, and in terms of Gaza the Palestinians have already lost over 40% of the land. If you can't see that Israel's aim is total capture of Gaza and the West Bank then you are incredibly naive at best. Israel is why there is no peace. They want to wipe Palestine off the map.

Does it not strike you why America allows Israel free reign to do as it pleases-- not only allows it, but arms it to it's teeth with the most advanced weaponry on the planet? Why Israel is allowed to break countless UN resolutions (Iran breaking one will be all out war, to put it in to perspective) and flout international law? Why is Israel above the law? Why does Europe not condemn them? Why aren't there sanctions on Israel? Why is there utter inaction against them? Why are there double standards?

Maybe another reason why I am for the Palestinians is because innocent people are being massacred while the world looks idly on? How many Israeli civilians have been killed?? Please don't try to act as if conflict is balanced when it's far from it. You only just have to see the death toll to know that it clearly isn't.

Do you not believe in the existence of religious extremism? or just that Hamas is involved in it? I will assume by the lack of answer that you are anti-semitic due to your own religious beliefs... next thing you'll be spouting is how the holocaust "didn't happen" that was actual ethnic cleansing.

This is returning a people to their homeland... and considering their religion - and therefore their existence - started before 600AD, you know, since the world had been around a lot longer than that, it is merely reclaiming what was taken from them.... the indigenous people... and if you wanna get nitpicky, then the Vatican can lay claim to Jesus' homeland and can pay off either side and we'll have a Vatican Strip between Egypt and Israel and be done with the warmongering - cos nobody messes with the POPE!

Well done, you have alienated another person by your own religious extremism and converted me from not caring to becoming pro-Israel... your argument is flawed to the point of delusion and good luck to you in your quest.

I support Palestine because there is a blockade preventing them from living their lives in a normal way. Hamas is an issue that needs to be dealt with later, because the most pressing one is the Israeli oppression.
Secondly, I don't hate jews. I hate the Israelis who watch shells fall on Palestine and eat popcorn whilst doing so. Hating Israel is distinctly different to hating jews, in the same way that hating Christians is different to hating Americans, for example. Playing the anti-Semitism card doesn't work when I have said nothing against jews. You have said much against Islam, so there is a clear illogical reason for you to support Israel. Point out a post where I have said something that is clearly anti-Semitic.
Israel sees Gaza as something that needs regular maintenance and that in itself is enough for me to support Palestine. The UN gave details of the most recently bombed shelter, yet sleeping civilians were killed by Israel. If you condone that, you're obviously too blinded by hatred to see reason.
Ideally, I'd like to see the 2 state resolution. But that won't happen as long as Israel generates hatred among Palestinians which gives Hamas power. Many Palestinians do not support Hamas. It would be similar to living under Boko Haram, but between the person bombing your home and your enemy who is against said person, you only have one logical choice.

Well we can debate about Hamas's true intentions for days and pretend we have the faintest clue what their plans are, but neither of us have a ****ing clue. What we do know though are the simple facts - Israel has been oppressing the Palestinian people for decades and continues to break countless international laws to this day; they have been the aggressor throughout the conflict and despite some heavy backing from the US, control of American media, and attempts to spin the story into looking like the innocent helpless victims, they remain the obvious cause of this war. Hamas, whilst guilty of several things themselves, are a natural and expected response to years of such treatment. And the only ones destroying whole city blocks full of civilians are Israel, and the argument that it's their "only option" wore thin years ago. So let's cut the bull**** now, it's getting old

At the core I support Israel because I understand the need for a Jewish state, I'm confident that their can be a peaceful outcome and I recognise the great things that Israel has to offer e.g. great stem cell advances, its domesticly very progressive and it is democratic. However I disagree with Benjamin Netanyahu's agenda because it clearly does not prioritise peace.