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Obviously my failure is nothing to you, I was just saying that few have what it takes to be a successful businessman, and it's not as easy as saying "screw you" to your boss and then somehow becoming more successful
You haven't truly failed until you stop trying.

Starting your own business doesn't mean quitting the one you currently have, if you put all your eggs in one basket (risk everything) and fail, it's your own fault and deserve all you get.
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I love how many Sh!tLADs this has got compared to GoodLADs.
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That's one hospital out of hundreds of thousands.

My argument is that if you don't pay your insurance, then **** off. Harsh but fair.
You are ridiculous all you seem to think about is money, what about people that die because they can't afford insurance, that's a life what does money matter when people are dying.
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I do not want the NHS, I have never wanted the NHS, and I was never asked whether I wanted the NHS in the first place. I'll go further and say that I think there are far better voluntary models which will improve healthcare for everyone.

That is not a conviction I am allowed to have.

The socialists here are quite happy to take my money by threat of violence. "Give us your money or we'll put you in prison". If I defend myself against their aggression, then they are quite happy to shoot me. There can be no mistake about it, the NHS is built on a system of extraction of money by bullying, threats and violence.

What would replace the NHS is irrelevant. It's like asking: "Yeah, but if we abolosh forced marriage then how will my sister ever get married?". It's a stupid question that is designed to obscure the main issue, right?

The socialists here hide behind similar falacies, which are designed to obscure the violence which they necessarily support.
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I do not want the NHS, I have never wanted the NHS, and I was never asked whether I wanted the NHS in the first place. I'll go further and say that I think there are far better voluntary models which will improve healthcare for everyone.

That is not a conviction I am allowed to have.

The socialists here are quite happy to take my money by threat of violence. "Give us your money or we'll put you in prison". If I defend myself against their aggression, then they are quite happy to shoot me. There can be no mistake about it, the NHS is built on a system of extraction of money by bullying, threats and violence.

What would replace the NHS is irrelevant. It's like asking: "Yeah, but if we abolosh forced marriage then how will my sister ever get married?". It's a stupid question that is designed to obscure the main issue, right?

The socialists here hide behind similar falacies, which are designed to obscure the violence which they necessarily support.
Socialists make me feel physically sick. They're so blinded by their repugnant ideology.
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(Original post by isaqyi)
Of our own volition.

I, however, could not care less about these people. Why should I have my wages stolen to provide welfare for them?
Maybe you should go spend a day on a cancer ward or something and see what some people actually go through and it will open your eyes and make you stop being such a stuck up ****. I worry about people like you, I really do.
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(Original post by isaqyi)
Socialists make me feel physically sick. They're so blinded by their repugnant ideology.
To be fair you appear to be equally as ignorant, yes the NHS is bad but from looking around, the US free market healthcare system is worse... the NHS needs to be restructured to reduce all the current aliments and hopefully become fiscally viable instead of a black hole.
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do you realize that if you are in an emergency, and rushed to hospital, it will be the NHS, not a private thing.
they are just foe scheduled stuff
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(Original post by isaqyi)
I am considering getting private health insurance, but no longer wish to contribute to the NHS as it is the worst healthcare system in Western Europe. I do not see it as my responsibility to pay for other peoples' healthcare, when I am more than willing to pay for my own.

Is there any way I can stop the British public stealing my money to pay for their healthcare?

Edit: I might have known that the extreme far left would have taken a disliking to my post.
ok what happens if your hit by a car and need an abulance FAST?
private hospitals don't do emergancies like that anywhere near as well as the NHS
and your contribution to the nhs each year is maybe a tenner. if you can afford private you wouldnt give a crap about that tenner
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blimey, its not long before this thread breaks of neg record!


OP, just pay the taxes and shut your goddamn mouth
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(Original post by Jordenfruitbat)
Maybe you should go spend a day on a cancer ward or something and see what some people actually go through and it will open your eyes and make you stop being such a stuck up ****. I worry about people like you, I really do.
Again, it's not my problem, yeah I feel sorry for them, but at the end of the day it is their problem, not everyone else's.

And if I ever get cancer I won't expect society to bow down and throw money at me.

(Original post by tehFrance)
the US free market healthcare system is worse...
The system isn't optimal due to the level of corruption but care is largely determined by your wallet, the way most services/products are.

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ok what happens if your hit by a car and need an abulance FAST?
private hospitals don't do emergancies like that anywhere near as well as the NHS
and your contribution to the nhs each year is maybe a tenner. if you can afford private you wouldnt give a crap about that tenner
With the system in its current form, don't expect much from the private sector, remove the near state monopoly and you will see competition spring to life as we have seen in other sectors.
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Again, it's not my problem, yeah I feel sorry for them, but at the end of the day it is their problem, not everyone else's.

And if I ever get cancer I won't expect society to bow down and throw money at me.



The system isn't optimal due to the level of corruption but care is largely determined by your wallet, the way most services/products are.



With the system in its current form, don't expect much from the private sector, remove the near state monopoly and you will see competition spring to life as we have seen in other sectors.
So its ok for people who have no money and cancer to die? Disgusting. If you really felt for these people you would not object to the NHS, it does a great thing and your money should be taxed as well as everyone elses, it's only a small amount per person and it does such a great thing, your not paying much at all and your money is going to something good, better than you spending this left over money on something that isn't worth it.
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(Original post by Jordenfruitbat)
So its ok for people who have no money and cancer to die? Disgusting. If you really felt for these people you would not object to the NHS, it does a great thing and your money should be taxed as well as everyone elses, it's only a small amount per person and it does such a great thing, your not paying much at all and your money is going to something good, better than you spending this left over money on something that isn't worth it.
No one can be saved from death
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(Original post by otester)

With the system in its current form, don't expect much from the private sector, remove the near state monopoly and you will see competition spring to life as we have seen in other sectors.
remove the state monopoly?!
thats one monoploy thats their for our own good, Private healthcare is actually amazing in this country other than for emergancy services, but thats not what its designed for
private healthcare is about operations and treatements to deseases, better quality plastic surgery and so on, its not somewhere you want to go if you bleeding out, most dont have an A&E
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No one can be saved from death
That is also utter rubbish, chemotherapy has a chance of saving cancer patients fact and is ever increasing, if you don't step in and provide healthcare people will die so yes the NHS saves loads of people from death
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(Original post by Jordenfruitbat)
That is also utter rubbish
I think his point was everyone dies eventually.
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(Original post by otester)
And if I ever get cancer I won't expect society to bow down and throw money at me.
That's quite a claim to make. I would not be surprised at all if being diagnosed with cancer caused you to reassess your position. Even if you don't value your own life, what about those you love? Say you got married and your wife or your child was diagnosed with cancer but you weren't able to afford private treatment... would you still have the same attitude?
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I think his point was everyone dies eventually.
Of course we do but that doesn't mean it's fair for people to die when they can potentially live for many years to come, what about children who have only just started their lives and are given a death sentence because their parents can't afford their healthcare?
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(Original post by Jordenfruitbat)
Of course we do but that doesn't mean it's fair for people to die when they can potentially live for many years to come, what about children who have only just started their lives and are given a death sentence because their parents can't afford their healthcare?
Firstly, you are the one who is defending a system which exists only because people are forced to pay for it. You would happily put people in prison for disagreeing with you and you would happily have violence used on your behalf against people who refused to go to prison. You have absolutely no moral authority here, so stop pretending you do.

Secondly, you have invented the falacy that if the NHS didn't exist a bunch of people would die. That's quite a leap. You are the one defending systematic violence, you prove it.
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(Original post by Chwirkytheappleboy)
That's quite a claim to make. I would not be surprised at all if being diagnosed with cancer caused you to reassess your position. Even if you don't value your own life, what about those you love? Say you got married and your wife or your child was diagnosed with cancer but you weren't able to afford private treatment... would you still have the same attitude?
It may be that your convictions are held so weakly or else built on such unsound foundations that they might change due to circumstance, but do not assume that everybody is the same. If I contract cancer I would no more look to violence to cure me than I would religion.
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