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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    I assumed well seeing as you lacked the integrity to learn and write yourself, as I've done, but instead copy pasted everything. I could easily reply in the same fashion or as I did before, but I won't waste much time arguing with someone who initially lacked any knowledge in the topic and spent a day or more catching up on it.

    -The quran is not a book of science, thereby embryology was explained succinctly with omissions, why on earth should it write on everything Aristotle mentioned? Its explanation of embryology is not incongruous with Aristotle's simply because it did not mention everything Aristotle did. What a silly thing to say.

    -Google translate. Really.

    -Abdel Haleem translated the Quran recently. As a muslim, he can write clinging form in the Quran as he pleases if it seems to him a scientific miracle.

    -Even if it did refer to clinging, which is unlikely, how is this miraculous because a leech looks wiggly like an embryo? One line in the entire Quran can convey many things with this magic word Alaqah? Or just a perfectly plausible coincidence. Is this about clinging, blood clot or a leech? Choose whichever (or how many) to construe to your liking - if common sense isn't part of the factor.

    -Again, what are you even talking about 'copied only correct parts'? Lol, I did not say Aristotle was correct, but his views were the general scientific knowledge at the time (that was amply available to the arabs). Both him and the Quran are wrong. The prophet did not have any way of knowing what was right because none of it was strictly correct.

    "I assumed well seeing as you lacked the integrity to learn and write yourself, as I've done, but instead copy pasted everything. I could easily reply in the same fashion or as I did before, but I won't waste much time arguing with someone who initially lacked any knowledge in the topic and spent a day or more catching up on it."

    • Your assumption that I "initially lacked any knowledge", is so off the mark. Just because I posted a video does not mean I lack knowledge.
    • This is just a cop out.
    • Also I work and don't check TSR all the time.


    1) Your right the Qur'an is not a book of science. But as you have claimed Aristotle's embryology was well known. The fact of the matter is Aristotle's well known view is that only the male produces fluid responsible for the creation of the embryo go against what is written in the Qur'an and hadith which is identical to modern embryology that both male and female genetic materials are used.

    Aristotle embryology contradicts what is written in Qur'an and hadith.

    You have not provided one shred of evidence that Aristotle's embryology is even similar to what is in the Qur'an.

    2) I used Google translate to show you that alaqah has different meaning than just blood clot.

    3) Your so ignorant dismissing a well qualified individual due to his religion.

    4) The miracle is that it is unlikely that someone in 7th century Arabia would have known this. It could not have bee a coincidence.

    5) "Both him and the Quran are wrong. The prophet did not have any way of knowing what was right because none of it was strictly correct"

    The Quranic verses are correct................

    Things such as the fact that both parents genetic material are used only ever appear in Qur'an and is contradictory to aristole and other well known thinkers.

    Was he a scientific genius now?.
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    (Original post by Secretnerd123)
    How are you suddenly 'free' without islam? I honestly feel so sorry for OP. Disbelievers (and especially those who were given the privelege to be born into the religion then turned away) get the worst punishment on the day of judgement.

    Edit: i've deleted the don't quote me bit because I actually want to prove those who have misconceptions about Islam (including OP himself) wrong
    Haven't you realised that is what they tell you because they don't want people leaving Islam? OP is an extremely intellectual individual who realised he was following a lie and is now no longer restrained by religion.

    Being born into Islam is the only reason it still flourishes today - very few adults convert to Islam because as adults our minds cannot be easily manipulated whereas a child can be brought up believing absolutely anything. I think the soul reason Muslims or any religious followers believe what they believe is because they desperately want it to be true, they don't want to let go of something they have been taught to believe all their life.

    I feel sorry for Muslims, they waste their time praying to a God who doesn't exist, reading a book full of nonsensical claims with no evidence whatsoever. I am sorry if I have offended you but I am simply stating my beliefs.


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    (Original post by BlackJackson)
    Haven't you realised that is what they tell you because they don't want people leaving Islam? OP is an extremely intellectual individual who realised he was following a lie and is now no longer restrained by religion.

    Being born into Islam is the only reason it still flourishes today - very few adults convert to Islam because as adults our minds cannot be easily manipulated whereas a child can be brought up believing absolutely anything. I think the soul reason Muslims or any religious followers believe what they believe is because they desperately want it to be true, they don't want to let go of something they have been taught to believe all their life.

    I feel sorry for Muslims, they waste their time praying to a God who doesn't exist, reading a book full of nonsensical claims with no evidence whatsoever. I am sorry if I have offended you but I am simply stating my beliefs.


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    Hahahaha bless you and OP's cotton socks :')

    Muslim 4 life xox
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    Do you still hold a sense of spirituality?

    From what I've seen, "converted" atheists reject all theories of the supernatural, or never believed it to exist in the first place.

    Or is Islam not really a spiritual religion to begin with?
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      (Original post by Secretnerd123)
      Hahahaha bless you and OP's cotton socks :')

      Muslim 4 life xox
      He's not part of your Maram...you should't be kissing him.
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        To OP: Have you ever considered adopting Non-Theistic religions to fulfil any Spiritual need you may have?
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        (Original post by Secretnerd123)
        How are you suddenly 'free' without islam? I honestly feel so sorry for OP. Disbelievers (and especially those who were given the privelege to be born into the religion then turned away) get the worst punishment on the day of judgement.
        If I made a similar comment towards an atheist who converted to Islam, I am 100% certain it would not go down well and you would probably be quick to voice your opposition.


        One can be free without Islam. It what sense would an atheist not be free? There are certain social freedoms an ex-Muslim would get when becoming atheist. One would no longer be burdened by the plethora of archaic rules contained within the Hadith and Quran. You can debate whether they are archaic or not, but you can't debate that an atheist would be constrained less by the rigid rules and regulations in Islam.
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        Would you consider yourself a Cultural Muslim? I'm of Christian heritage and as such consider myself a Cultural Christian. I follow the majority of traditions of Christianity, do you follow the traditions of Islam?
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        (Original post by Marcum)
        Would you consider yourself a Cultural Muslim? I'm of Christian heritage and as such consider myself a Cultural Christian. I follow the majority of traditions of Christianity, do you follow the traditions of Islam?
        Yea I guess we do. We still celebrate Eid as a cultural thing, mainly because all my extended family are muslims.
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        (Original post by Bill_Gates)
        What was it specifically that made you leave Islam?

        Im sure there are many reasons.
        It wasn't anything specifically about Islam. I left religion as a whole when I was exposed to a more rational way of thinking. It wasn't the case that I was swayed away from Islam specifically, but rather it was me just deciding that religion makes no sense. To elaborate, I didn't see anything completely deviant about Islam to make me think 'man, I shouldn't be following this religion'. I saw all religions as more or less the same. There wasn't anything that particularly striked me about Islam to put me off from it. It was just the whole concept of religion which I began to reject.
       
       
       
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