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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    But the majority of those like Stephen Hawking don't look at the vast majority. The vast majority who do well at school go on to the best jobs. Whilst the vast majority like stephen hawking, no one knows!
    I am talking about your job and how academically taxing it is.

    Don't even try and make it sound like it is.

    IF your argument that yes you need a certain academia just to meet company policy, than I will agree with you.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    I also have a personality and can charm people, certain people can't befriend others. Like if i see a nice HR women interviewing me - bang tidy. I would make a move, thats the difference, i can create an emotional dependency, some people can't.
    Rest assure, they don't teach you that in a CS degree at Imperial.

    That is my point, people skills is not academia.
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    (Original post by Tom_Ford)
    Hey, i've already said that the firms you wanted to apply to did require these high UCAS points (apart from IBM). There are many many more academic types at these firms (which you want to apply for lol!) than there are in the smaller firms full of polytechnic graduates which I did get rejected from. But , the difference is, I have choice, you don't.
    This is not what my argument with Sloane is about, you are going off on a tangent.

    I know you have more choice due to corporate policy. Does that make it a good system - no.

    I wish more firms adopted IBMs way of doing things, as it gives everyone with a 2.1 a shot.

    I also know there are people better than me, I don't go around comparing myself to every tom **** and harry like you and sloane do. I do the best with what I have got right now.
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    The experience thing isn't a bad idea. Too many people seem to think just because you've got a degree, you will walk into a job. Doesn't work like that, especially with a 2:2 and no experience...

    I am surprised at how many people are saying they couldn't find jobs though. I finished uni at the end of May with a 2:1 in law and within a month I got myself a job in the NHS on decent pay, far above minimum wage. I don't have any office experience but expressed my enthusiasm and willingness to learn. Maybe I was just lucky but I saw loads of jobs to apply for and got a fair few interviews...probably something not quite right in your application/interview.
    Someone was willing to give you a chance, because you showed the right attitude, GL. Other people aren't the NHS is one of the best employers to work for.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    I am talking about your job and how academically taxing it is.

    Don't even try and make it sound like it is.

    IF your argument that yes you need a certain academia just to meet company policy, than I will agree with you.
    Its on the job spec of all high level BA jobs batchelors degree.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    This is not what my argument with Sloane is about, you are going off on a tangent.

    I know you have more choice due to corporate policy. Does that make it a good system - no.

    I wish more firms adopted IBMs way of doing things, as it gives everyone with a 2.1 a shot.

    I also know there are people better than me, I don't go around comparing myself to every tom **** and harry like you and sloane do. I do the best with what I have got right now.
    What is IBMs way of doing things?
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    This is not what my argument with Sloane is about, you are going off on a tangent.

    I know you have more choice due to corporate policy. Does that make it a good system - no.

    I wish more firms adopted IBMs way of doing things.

    These corporate policies wants academia as a vital part of their requirements, alongside other qualities. These person requirements often have other vital requirements such as a full UK drivers license etc etc etc... are you saying all those other requirements are also unfair? I have already mentioned this. They want the whole package. If you do not have it... they have a right to reject you. Your view stinks of an inherent entitlement complex. They are not entitled to hire us at all. They can reject at will for any reason.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Someone was willing to give you a chance, because you showed the right attitude, GL. Other people aren't the NHS is one of the best employers to work for.
    I had other interviews that I was successful for also. My new manager told me I was the only person they interviewed with no experience, but they could tell I was bright from having a law degree and they would rather have someone enthusiastic who wants to progress than someone older who might not be as ambitious. I really think attitude is everything, and if you don't have any experience then turning your nose up at it with a mediocre degree isn't going to get you anywhere!
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Its on the job spec of all high level BA jobs batchelors degree.
    So what.

    From what you describe it is just something they ask for, because they can. It's not a crucial requirement. If I applied for the job with a degree in CS, what relevance has that got to do with what you actually have described?

    Take pharmacy or medicine, what you do in practice reflects your course material, and you have to be good at it academically.
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    (Original post by cactussed)
    Cba to sit through the whole discussion, just skimmed the last few pages, so apologies if I'm just parroting what's been said, but the worst thing you can do is fall into the trap of feeling sorry for yourself and wallowing in self-pity. By that point you'll have lost the motivation to keep applying and applying and applying, and not only that, but to submit good applications. The jobs market is **** at the moment (although even now it's improved from a few years ago) and competition is so fierce that employers can pick whoever they like.

    I myself graduated last year with a redbrick 2:1, good ECs and GCSE/A Levels etc etc etc, and have only just this month started a proper well-paying grad job with an international technology company which also allows me to use my degree subject, which I would never have dared to believe would be possible just a few months ago when I was working full time in a supermarket. Not that I'm saying you don't need that belief, because without a belief in your abilities you will just turn up to interview after interview with half a mind to fail already.

    I speak from (personal and third-party) experience when I say that receiving weekly rejections for anything from grad schemes to cleaning jobs chips away at your self-esteem and morale, and the only way to overcome this is by trying to remain positive and focusing on the long-term end result rather than viewing each individual application or job as being 'it'. If I were in your position (which is similar to my own a year ago) then I would accept the calling job seeing as it's only two weeks. It will get the job centre off your back for a bit, you get something to add to your CV, and it helps focus your mind. Working in a supermarket, while not an awful job in itself, made me hungry to better myself and escape the mediocrity that is working in retail as a graduate, which in turn helped to focus my mind on what I wanted and needed to do to achieve it.



    Who exactly is this Jalebi who's depressed at having gone to BCU?
    Its a guy who looked up to him, he took fathobbits advice literally and is now working in a bookie and going to birmingham city university. He told him this crap and now he is on payday loans, he thought he could make money quick.
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    (Original post by Tom_Ford)
    These corporate policies wants academia as a vital part of their requirements, alongside other qualities. These person requirements often have other vital requirements such as a full UK drivers license etc etc etc... are you saying all those other requirements are also unfair? I have already mentioned this. They want the whole package. If you do not have it... they have a right to reject you. Your view stinks of an inherent entitlement complex. They are not entitled to hire us at all. They can reject at will for any reason.
    All I am saying, its fair enough they want to do things that way.

    But it's not like they can still get good quality candidates by doing it how IBM has.

    It just means a more rigourous selection process to get to the final round. I believe IBM had 4-5 rounds.

    I never got in, but I am thankful they gave me the chance. Better than getting your app chucked in the bin at app stage because of UCAS points.

    I believe in giving people second chances, you and sloane don't. If they had a bad time during ALs but worked hard during their degree to get a 2.1, you know what that is testament to how they picked themselves up after a set back. A key skill in business.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Its a guy who looked up to him, he took fathobbits advice literally and is now working in a bookie and going to birmingham city university. He told him this crap and now he is on payday loans, he thought he could make money quick.
    Absolute bull****.

    You accuse me of misinformation, when you are the one spurting ****.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    What is IBMs way of doing things?
    2.1 degree minimum, app stage/ aptitude tests/ 2 AC/ final round interview.

    Very gruelling.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    So what.

    From what you describe it is just something they ask for, because they can. It's not a crucial requirement. If I applied for the job with a degree in CS, what relevance has that got to do with what you actually have described?

    Take pharmacy or medicine, what you do in practice reflects your course material, and you have to be good at it academically.
    This is a job spec for a position two levels below me, I can't find mine up there seeing they aren't recruiting that is lengthy as it is.

    http://www.britishairways.com/career...results.shtml?

    It would have a lot, its hard to explain something to someone whoses never worked in a company with other people. Its just like explaining to someone on the dole who has never had a payslip, you won't get it.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    2.1 degree minimum, app stage/ aptitude tests/ 2 AC/ final round interview.

    Very gruelling.
    You forgot psychometric testing different to aplitude test and telephone interview. If you can't hold and conversation or have a stutter or problems speaking, then your finished. That little boy Jalebi you got his stutter worse, i told him it would wear off once he developed confidence.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    This is a job spec for a position two levels below me, I can't find mine up there seeing they aren't recruiting that is lengthy as it is.

    http://www.britishairways.com/career...results.shtml?

    It would have a lot, its hard to explain something to someone whoses never worked in a company with other people. Its just like explaining to someone on the dole who has never had a payslip, you won't get it.
    Again if I have a 2.1 degree in CS from an ivy, how are my skills transferable to this job?

    Do you even know how socially awkward these guys are, the whole stereotype of a nerd exists for a reason.
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    (Original post by fat_hobbit)
    Absolute bull****.

    You accuse me of misinformation, when you are the one spurting ****.
    Should I screenshot from FB what you said to him, i kept it for entertainment value?
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    You forgot psychometric testing different to aplitude test and telephone interview. If you can't hold and conversation or have a stutter or problems speaking, then your finished. That little boy Jalebi you got his stutter worse, i told him it would wear off once he developed confidence.
    That is people skills.

    You don't spent 4 years at uni doing a degree in people skills, you study abstract topics.
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    Should I screenshot from FB what you said to him, i kept it for entertainment value?
    utter bs

    And no out of respect to my privacy , don't share any on my chats with anyone on here
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    Haha reading the Hobbit and Sloanes conversations are great. Its like watching an episode of the apprentice:

    Nick Hewers sitting their grilling the cocky contestant - raising his eyebrows at the expertise the pro salesmen is trying to convince him off.
    He seems to talk the talk but hes more del boy then ICL. Maybe that CVs a pack of lies.
 
 
 
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