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    (Original post by sfaraj)
    depends on the scholar, i follow sistani so any others would have to be taken into considertion
    I notice that you didn't answer my question of whether you think the execution of homosexuals (under Islamic conditions) is right or wrong.

    Shall we assume that your reluctance to answer means that you think that it is right?

    you know our continuous bickering is getting tedious....
    I'm not finding it tedious.... more, enlightening.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    I notice that you didn't answer my question of whether you think the execution of homosexuals (under Islamic conditions) is right or wrong.

    Shall we assume that your reluctance to answer means that you think that it is right?
    What I found interesting was that he said he agrees Islam prohibits homosexuality and that under an Islamic government there would be punishments, however he is not homosexual and is thus "neutral" on the matter.

    I tried to probe it a bit, pointing out that if he's "neutral" on the matter he must realise the Islamic position is unduly harsh, but I don't think he wants to criticise his own religion or follow his position to its logical conclusion (in either direction)
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    (Original post by muslimstanisyed)
    i dont support homosexuality in any wayshape or form
    You don't have to "support" it. Just accept it as a natural part of human behaviour.

    Saying they should be put to death is a bit too far imo.
    So you think that Muhammad (and by extension, Allah) went a bit too far in ordering them to be put to death?

    They should be educated and be given the harsh truth though.
    "Educated" how? About what?
    What is the "harsh truth?
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    (Original post by ellie0497)
    But this is a LAW.

    I think if it was a law for Muslim doctors to kill homosexuals, it would be worse but it is not. Making discrimination and hatred a law is absolutely disgusting.
    Death for homosexuals is part of Islamic law.
    What's more, it is divine law so it cannot be challenged or revoked. It is eternal and perfect.

    So I'd say, yeah, it is worse than a state law allowing religious businesses to refuse to provide their services to LGBT customers.
    By some degree.
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    Thanks for the reply

    This hadith is emphasising how bad the action is in islam. The quran is the law and it is not mentioned in there.

    Also note 4 witnesses have to testify for any trial like this. What would be the chances? This hadith is displaying the severity of this crime
    Four male witnesses? Would that be eight female witnesses then?
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    Also note 4 witnesses have to testify for any trial like this.
    Or as QE2 has pointed out before, the accused confesses. Which is not uncommon where they use torture on them.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    I notice that you didn't answer my question of whether you think the execution of homosexuals (under Islamic conditions) is right or wrong.

    Shall we assume that your reluctance to answer means that you think that it is right?

    I'm not finding it tedious.... more, enlightening.
    fam it is very tedious

    and what you presuming answers for, i think it is wrong
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    If they were from a 19th cent book they could have been copied from earlier paintings.
    Ah, good point

    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    But they were interesting anyway, I thought "Who do those lads remind me of?"

    Of course the answer is the smoking hot Warwick University Rowing Team :sexface:

    http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slides...73194_free.jpg

    In the painting, those lads do seem to have rather wide hips. Almost child-bearing. From the near east oriental homoerotic art I've seen they did seem to appreciate almost slightly chubby youths, I wonder if it's because it's a slightly more feminised look? Not sure. Doesn't do anything for me, I prefer the Warwick Uni type guys :sexface:
    Lol they do look rather hot, so I wouldn't blame you.

    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    Most definitely. Not sure if you remember Pastor Ted Haggard. In the US he was a major figure in the anti-gay movement, campaigning against marriage equality and so on. He was caught snorting crystal meth off a rent boy's arse :lol:
    Haha yeah I do remember it . There is a long list of Pastors who are like that. Pastor James Manning is one of my favourites.
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    Theres no place in the quran where it says homosexuality is punished by killing. ISIS do that.
    But there is in the sunnah, in sahih hadith, so it is an integral part of Islamic ideology.

    [/quote]And anyone with a brain cell can see how muslim they are.[/quote] If they follow the 5 pillars, then they are Muslims. Admittedly, they follow a literalist and unmodernised interpretation of Islam, but it is one that is supported by classical tafsir such as Ibn Kathir.

    Essentially, all ISIS are doing is refusing to look for a more acceptable, less violent interpretation of the Quran and sunnah. If there is a verse that says that they are allowed to have sex with their captives, or a hadith that says to execute homosexuals or apostates, they simply assume that it means what it says, and carry it out.
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    Thanks for the reply

    This hadith is emphasising how bad the action is in islam. The quran is the law and it is not mentioned in there.

    Also note 4 witnesses have to testify for any trial like this. What would be the chances? This hadith is displaying the severity of this crime
    So, if all the appropriate conditions are fulfilled (and a confession will do instead of 4 witnesses), you agree with the official execution of homosexuals, and also apostates and adulterers?
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    Donald Trump "Abortion should be punished." Why are you not quoting this?
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    (Original post by sahil19)
    Donald Trump "Abortion should be punished." Why are you not quoting this?
    Well, he recanted the next day, and now says only abortionists should be punished. What does it have to do with the killing of homosexuals?
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    (Original post by AsiaM)
    A true muslim never would. A bad human might yes. Wht your implying is tht all mslims are evilhuman beings. So id rather not convrse with a bigot
    How about when Muhammad tortured Kenana al Rabi to find out where the Banu Nadir treasure was hidden. Or when he gave permission for some followers to use deception in order to carry out the assassination of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf?

    If Muhammad can behave like that, why not ordinary Muslims?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    So why do people choose to follow it?
    Good Bloke's answer + conditioning (habits/defaults) + fear (of backlash from family/friends/community, and of the unknown/social isolation)

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    Islam essentially, doctrinally, establishes a gang of bullies and traps members within it by commanding Muslims to kill anyone who has an attack of conscience and decides to leave their merry little death cult (apostasy). 36% of young Muslims in Britain think apostates should be killed | Source
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Good Bloke's answer + conditioning (habits/defaults) + fear

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    Apostasy is punishable by death - it's essentially a gang of bullies who pick on those who aren't part of their little gang and will kill you if you ever have an attack of conscience and think about leaving
    Some of my friends have left the fold of Islam and are still alive and well today :dontknow:
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Yes. Muslims are the poor ickle victims here.
    Yes because, it has become common practice to use a few incidents to judge the whole religion.
    There are Christians who also believe the same thing, but society doesnt generalise on them
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    So why do people choose to follow it?
    Three reasons.
    Indoctrination, indoctrination, indoctrination.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Three reasons.
    Indoctrination, indoctrination, indoctrination.
    You forgot to mention that religious people normally indoctrinate their children to follow the same religion they do.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Three reasons.
    Indoctrination, indoctrination, indoctrination.
    Are you an atheist?
 
 
 
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