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    (Original post by Thutmose-III)
    Islamic State is what it calls itself. During the 1980s we didn't say "the so-called Irish Republican Army but they shouldn't call themselves Irish. Irish people wouldn't kill civilians". We called them what they called themselves.

    The fact is that a tidal wave of psychopaths has come out of the Muslim community since the rise of ISIS, and the Muslim communities in the West have resisted any attempt by the government to engage them so we can prevent these things before they get down the road to radicalisation.

    The Muslim community also ostracises (and even kills) those who attempt to reform Islam away from its warlike and victimhood-obsessed beliefs.

    The Muslim community in America is generally held to be the most "moderate" in the world. And especially that in Florida (compared to the one in, say, Minnesota). And yet even there, the closest mosque to this club last month had a guest speaker who said gay people should be killed

    These views are not fringe views in Islam
    Of course they want to be known as 'Islamic State' that's what they claim to be killing so many people for. Without their claim of being Islamic what reason do they have to do commit such acts?
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    (Original post by Listers)
    Nah, your views are incredibly ignorant, unfounded, incredibly flawed and show your general lack of reasoning.

    You know nothing about what you talk about, ask pointless questions and stumble when making your points.
    I would say the exact same about you, but a lot more colourfully.
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    (Original post by eternalhinch)
    The only person ignorant here is you for not realising how to divert your hatred towards Islam in a positive manner...use your freedom of speech wisely and actually suggest a solution that excludes 'getting rid of Islam' because that's 1.6 bn people's faiths that is being damaged.
    Have you actually read the Quran at all in your life? I actually have and unless you have experienced the peace that comes from it and its teachings then I suggest you stop insulting other people and religion and focus on yourself.
    I'm not going to focus on myself when 50 people just died because another stupid person following your backward medieval 7th century cult couldn't integrate and accept western culture.

    Yes i have read the Qu'ran in and out, I was actually raised in a muslim family but me and my father after very deep research decided to leave this cult when we saw the light and read the hadiths and saw what a vile and despicable man Muhammed was.

    And before you shoot your mouth of again, understand that i'm criticising the religion here and not muslims, because it's the religion that promotes, hate, violence, rape, murder, wars, stealing, greed, death and deception.

    I've already thrown in my solution, this includes reforming Islam, and that has to come from the islamic world and community and leaders because like I said before, the world is getting tired of turning on the news and seeing the religion of peace spreading nothing but hate.
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    (Original post by -Anonymous_Girl)
    I would say the exact same about you, but a lot more colourfully.


    I really really REALLY do not care.
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    (Original post by Listers)
    I'm not going to focus on myself when 50 people just died because another stupid person following your backward medieval 7th century cult couldn't integrate and accept western culture.

    Yes i have read the Qu'ran in and out, I was actually raised in a muslim family but me and my father after very deep research decided to leave this cult when we saw the light and read the hadiths and saw what a vile and despicable man Muhammed was.

    And before you shoot your mouth of again, understand that i'm criticising the religion here and not muslims, because it's the religion that promotes, hate, violence, rape, murder, wars, stealing, greed, death and deception.

    I've already thrown in my solution, this includes reforming Islam, and that has to come from the islamic world and community and leaders because like I said before, the world is getting tired of turning on the news and seeing the religion of peace spreading nothing but hate.
    The religion is the most peaceful religion around otherwise it would not be peaceful for nothing. It promoted nothing but peace and if you have read the entire Quran you will realise that.
    The human rights that are in place in the western countries come from the teachings in the Quran so clearly they are knowledgeable. You will realise yourself that the religion is nothing but peaceful if you have delved enough into it to reliase how the teachings are a way of life.
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    (Original post by Listers)
    I really really REALLY do not care.
    Then I have nothing else to say to you. Really bad day to you.
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    (Original post by eternalhinch)
    The religion is the most peaceful religion around otherwise it would not be peaceful for nothing. It promoted nothing but peace and if you have read the entire Quran you will realise that.
    The human rights that are in place in the western countries come from the teachings in the Quran so clearly they are knowledgeable. You will realise yourself that the religion is nothing but peaceful if you have delved enough into it to reliase how the teachings are a way of life.
    You are extremely deluded if you seriously believe that load of rubbish. let me show you some peaceful verses in the Qur'an.

    Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

    Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

    Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

    Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

    Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.

    Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”

    Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”

    Quran (9:14) – “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace…”

    Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The “striving” spoken of here is Jihad.

    Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews.


    Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”


    It's certainly peaceful
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    There was crusades by Christians, wars, conflicts in the name of Christianity, now Islam has filled the void. The few who've hijacked it are ruining it for the majority who before 2000 were inclusive within society now are hated collectively because of those few.

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    (Original post by SMEGGGY)
    There was crusades by Christians, wars, conflicts in the name of Christianity, now Islam has filled the void. The few who've hijacked it are ruining it for the majority who before 2000 were inclusive within society now are hated collectively because of those few.

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    If you know nothing about the Crusades or history please shut up and don't input on the topic, there are already way too many ignorant people on here, we don't need anymore
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    (Original post by Listers)
    You are extremely deluded if you seriously believe that load of rubbish. let me show you some peaceful verses in the Qur'an.

    Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

    Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

    Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

    Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

    Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.

    Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”

    Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”

    Quran (9:14) – “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace…”

    Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The “striving” spoken of here is Jihad.

    Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews.


    Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”It's certainly peaceful
    You see that's the problem, you have just chosen and extracted verses that you want to prove Islam is a violent religion...you haven't even read the verses that fit into context with what you have posted otherwise you would know that it's nothing but violent. Stop portaying Islam so negatively and have an open mind to read everything peaceful written in the Quran: the protection of women, the freeing of slaves, the helping the needy, the not forcing people to believe...the list is endless. You don't need to post random verses that you have just googled to prove Islam is a war inflicting, terror religion that is causing the problem because it's seriously not.
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    Your post reminds me of douchebag that known nothing about Islam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXZfR7iUTgQ
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    (Original post by Listers)
    If you know nothing about the Crusades or history please shut up and don't input on the topic, there are already way too many ignorant people on here, we don't need anymore
    I'm well versed in the crusades and conversions by the sword. Keep your cretinous views to yourself.

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    (Original post by Oblivion99)
    If the gunman hasn't been identified as Muslim, do not portray him as one. Mass shootings in America are carried out more by white people than actual muslims - quite the surprise.
    Twisting numbers.


    If you really want to go down the route of focusing on religion or race, Muslims are more likely to commit a mass shooting than a white person. Obviously, there are much more white people in America, hence what you said.
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    (Original post by eternalhinch)
    You see that's the problem, you have just chosen and extracted verses that you want to prove Islam is a violent religion...you haven't even read the verses that fit into context with what you have posted otherwise you would know that it's nothing but violent. Stop portaying Islam so negatively and have an open mind to read everything peaceful written in the Quran: the protection of women, the freeing of slaves, the helping the needy, the not forcing people to believe...the list is endless. You don't need to post random verses that you have just googled to prove Islam is a war inflicting, terror religion that is causing the problem because it's seriously not.
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    Your post reminds me of douchebag that known nothing about Islam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXZfR7iUTgQ


    Lord have mercy if you really believe Muhammed protected women more than he beat, raped and enslaved them, freed slaves more than he had, helped the needy more than he slew them and encouraged freedom in religion rather than commanding his followers to kill Non believers or anyone that leaves Islam.

    Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

    That's from SAHIH Bukari your most authentic hadith, if you even know what that means.

    You seriously have a lot of reading to do, so many westernised muslims are completely ignorant of Islam, completely.
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    (Original post by SMEGGGY)
    I'm well versed in the crusades and conversions by the sword. Keep your cretinous views to yourself.

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    So how were the Crusades done in the name of Christianity when they were done solely on a defensive mission due to Islamic invasions into Europe?
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    (Original post by Oblivion99)
    If the gunman hasn't been identified as Muslim, do not portray him as one. Mass shootings in America are carried out more by white people than actual muslims - quite the surprise.


    What a moron
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    My prayers go out to the families of those that died and the decent muslims and brown people (who are usually automatically seen as muslim) who have to suffer prejudice from stereotyping ars*holes.
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    (Original post by Listers)
    Lord have mercy if you really believe Muhammed protected women more than he beat, raped and enslaved them, freed slaves more than he had, helped the needy more than he slew them and encouraged freedom in religion rather than commanding his followers to kill Non believers or anyone that leaves Islam.

    Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

    That's from SAHIH Bukari your most authentic hadith, if you even know what that means.

    You seriously have a lot of reading to do, so many westernised muslims are completely ignorant of Islam, completely.
    All you seem to do is question my faith. My faith is strong in Allah and the Prophet Muhammed PBUH. I don't need you to question how much I know of the religion and point out that i'm ignorant. It's so much more ignorant of you to say that when you don't have a clue of how much I've studied my religion to know that i belong to it, i'm not a Muslim for no reason.
    Your very first post said you're not hating on Muslims but the religion yet you're posting hatred towards us saying we're ignorant and westernised. What the heck? Westernised for living in a western country or for having freedom of speech and the right to believe in a religion.
    You can hate all you like on Islam but at least try to do it in such a way where you're not bringing about hate because all you seem to be doing is bringing about negative energy. I don't appreciate that at all.
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    (Original post by JohnGreek)
    To be honest, I wasn't expecting much. It was the post listing all the possible reactions to this attack, most of which, as usual, we've seen on TSR up to now. I got to about 16 suggestions before it was deleted, gg
    You can make a thread about it here if you feel it was unfairly removed. Make sure to tag one of the CT in the OP if you do make one.
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    This is absolutely heart breaking it's crazy how one guy can cause this much destruction.
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    (Original post by Listers)
    What a moron
    It's been like 10 hours and you're still typing , find a hobby or something.
 
 
 
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