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    (Original post by Cain Tesfaye)
    reported for racism.
    Lol

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    (Original post by Ishax)
    I've got better things to do than read your essay, that's point one. I made a comment to what the OP posted and what I've seen Muslim men wear compared to women.

    If you're offended by my comment, I couldn't care less. Suffer in silence.

    Bye
    You asked questions; I answered. Sikh means "Seeker of truth"; interesting that when truth comes to you after seeking clarification, you turn away from it because the truth is an "essay".
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    You asked questions; I answered. Sikh means "Seeker of truth"; interesting that when truth comes to you after seeking clarification, you turn away from it because the truth is an "essay".
    Stop quoting me, save it for another Muslim thread
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    (Original post by Ishax)
    I've got better things to do than read your essay, that's point one. I made a comment to what the OP posted and what I've seen Muslim men wear compared to women.

    If you're offended by my comment, I couldn't care less. Suffer in silence.

    Bye
    If you can't be bothered to seek the truth and actually read what he wrote with effort then why should anyone else bother? Stop acting immature, he presented you many points very well even I can't do half as what he did. No offence but it is you looking bad here not him. You wanted an answer if I am wrong but you can't be bothered to read it them don't ask. I feel sorry for him taking the effort to even respond but it benefited me so I am glad he did.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Whenever you see me post about 'rights', assume I am talking about Islamic rights unless otherwise specified because I speak from an Islamic perspective 99% of the time. There is nothing Islamically wrong with a woman working or driving, although regarding working there may be some conditions which should be considered first. Your point seems muddled because what countries do or don't do has no bearing on what Islam permits or forbids as there is no country on Earth which rules 100% according to Shariah currently.

    The Islamic concept of awrah is the parts of the body which must be covered as an absolute minimum - for men it is from the naval to the knee, and for a women it is everything excluding her face and hands and feet. This difference is because men are more easily attracted by women and definitely more impulsive in most cases. It is also worth noting that it is still obligatory for men to cover anything of them which is attractive, so if there is a man with bulging arms in a tight fitting shirt, he should wear looser clothing and cover more, and there have been cases in history where handsome guys have been ordered to cover their faces. Furthermore, in Islam, it is a prescribed Sunnah for a male to cover their hair. It would be funny if you simply Googled "Muslim men" and saw how covered up they actually are; or perhaps you could complain how unequal it is that it is obligatory for men to grow their facial hair whereas women can groom themselves?
    Anyways, whenever you say "inequality", no Muslim, boy or girl, who does not have deficiency in their belief or understanding frankly cares that men and women have different rights and obligations because ultimitately we are the same in religion and pray the same, fast the same, pay the same charity etc, and Allah is All Just and All Wise so we needn't care about these psychological constructs of "equality" as we will be rewarded for what we have earned or not been given but born with patience.

    - There are some cases where a women may inherit more than male
    - A wife has the right to her husbands wealth but he has no right to hers, and all property she owns cannot be touched or taken by him
    - A mother has the right to 3 times more respect from her children than her father, and a child can never repay their mother for giving birth to them, even if they made pilgrimage with her on their back, whereas a father can be repayed for fathering him by emancipating him from slavery - although this last point cannot be quantified in real terms or materialised physically, it shows that mothers have higher statuses than fathers drastically. Due to the subsequent reward of mothering children, women have this avenue open to them to get to heaven that men do not have.



    To drive one of my points home: if I was as uniformed as you to enter the conversation and use countries inhabited by Muslims as a measure of what Islam teaches, and I equally based my assessment of Sikhi upon pendus in Punjab, I could easily claim that Sikh women are not equal to Sikh men, but that would be intellectually disingenuous, so I recommend that you abandon that.
    SubhanAllah (glory be to God) it was worth the read.

    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Well, aren't you the blackest pot I ever did see talking to a kettle... :rolleyes:
    Pots can talk :eek: what planet do you live on?
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    (Original post by h333)
    Pots can talk :eek: what planet do you live on?
    It's an expression: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_po...e_kettle_black.
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    Well aren't expressions funny :lol: but can you explain properly what it means please like I think I don't fully get it.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    if I was as uniformed as you
    Ahh, sweet irony

    (Original post by HAnwar)
    LOL I think someone can't accept the fact they got owned BIG time.

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    There are men in this thread. I'm quite sure you're not supposed to socialise with us without permission.
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    (Original post by h333)
    Well aren't expressions funny :lol: but can you explain properly what it means please like I think I don't fully get it.
    It essentially means someone is a hypocrite.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    If you can't be bothered to seek the truth and actually read what he wrote with effort then why should anyone else bother? Stop acting immature, he presented you many points very well even I can't do half as what he did. No offence but it is you looking bad here not him. You wanted an answer if I am wrong but you can't be bothered to read it them don't ask. I feel sorry for him taking the effort to even respond but it benefited me so I am glad he did.
    There's a difference between giving a constructive response which is fair enough and I'll respond. There's no way in hell I'm reading and responding to that essay because I have got better things to do. I don't care about Islam, I'm a Sikh. Clearly, you're very offended.

    Like I said, bye
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    (Original post by TheBBQ)
    Ahh, sweet irony

    There are men in this thread. I'm quite sure you're not supposed to socialise with us without permission.
    The true irony is that you are more misunformed than me - you say that to make a swipe at me when you always stop responding to debates with me like one or two posts in, be it on other threads or the Sikh Soc because you realise you can't beat me :lol: Eat some humble pie and actually learn about topics and make valid criticisms perhaps - you might have more success.

    The second part of your post to HAnwar confirms my assessment :holmes:

    Will be funny when you dont respond to this; or perhaps me mentioning you won't respond will act in reverse psychology to cause you to respond so it don't make you sound as ignorant as I am making out
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    (Original post by Ishax)
    There's a difference between giving a constructive response which is fair enough and I'll respond. There's no way in hell I'm reading and responding to that essay because I have got better things to do. I don't care about Islam, I'm a Sikh. Clearly, you're very offended.

    Like I said, bye
    Even 'constructive' responses related to Sikhi which were short you didn't address - you are incapable of actually holding a constructive discussion because you claim the other person is offended or attack strawmen when they have not implied offense at all.
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    Just have a pint and everything will make sense.
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    Join us sweet girl. The Kuffars await you

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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I was born and raised Muslim. The faith has a lot of good things about it.

    However recently, I am starting to have doubts. I'm not as religious as I used to be. Particularly being a female, I find some parts of Islam extremely sexist.

    For example women have to cover up, men can take up to 4 wives, Muslim women must only marry Muslim men, underage girls are allowed to marry as soon as start puberty ,women aren't allowed to leave the house without a male relative, women will make up the majority in hellfire because they are ungrateful to their husbands , sex slaves are permissible during war, woman's testimony often counts half of a man's testimony, women inheritance half that of a man, a woman must always obey her husband etc.

    But I've read up on all the above and I do appreciate some of them give good reasons as to why. But one thing I can't get over is the fact our prophet Muhammed (pbuh) married Aisha (r.a) when she was only 6 years old. The reason I've heard include those were the times it happened a lot then, She contributed to the spread of Muhammad's(pbuh) message and served the Muslim community for 44 years after his death, the marriage not being consummated until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old etc. It's really hard for me to overlook.

    But seriously if some joe public did that everyone would find it disgusting. What makes it a problem for me is that men are meant to follow the sunnah of the prophet. This means it's ok for Muslim men to take underage bride. It happens a lot in Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.

    I'm just starting to lose my faith a little and it is mostly to do with its attitude towards women.
    I didnt see a question in this post
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Even 'constructive' responses related to Sikhi which were short you didn't address - you are incapable of actually holding a constructive discussion because you claim the other person is offended or attack strawmen when they have not implied offense at all.
    I didn't read it, so I don't know you mentioned Sikhs. I don't want to hold a discussion, hence "bye".
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    It essentially means someone is a hypocrite.
    Hmmm ok. Someone asked the questions and tbf he (Zam) answered them so they should at least read it even they disagree at the end of it. Maybe that is why HAnwar said that.
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    (Original post by Ishax)
    I didn't read it, so I don't know you mentioned Sikhs. I don't want to hold a discussion, hence "bye".
    Not much of a "Seeker of Truth" ay
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Not much of a "Seeker of Truth" ay
    Read page 1 and you'll see how a Muslim girl is complaining about her religion. Also the attitude of Muslims towards girls.

    I'm feeling sorry for you now, I don't care what you about Sikhism. We've defeated Muslims before, in history when they were trying to force Sikhs to become Muslims. They also resorted to killing Sikh. Shows how nice the religion was/is. Not to mention the fact Muslim men and women can't sit in the same room at a mosque 😂😂😂

    Chaar Sahibzaade shows the history of how "nice" Muslims are. More to the point, shouldn't you be marrying your cousin?
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    (Original post by Ishax)
    Read page 1 and you'll see how a Muslim girl is complaining about her religion. Also the attitude of Muslims towards girls.

    I'm feeling sorry for you now, I don't care what you about Sikhism. We've defeated Muslims before, in history when they were trying to force Sikhs to become Muslims. They also resorted to killing Sikh. Show how nice the religion was/is.

    Shouldn't you be marrying your cousin?
    Yet you can't defeat me in a discussion with a keybord :lol:

    I could say the same - nothing in Sikhi forbidding it :rolleyes: My cousins are Sikh - can't marry them anyway
 
 
 
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