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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    I'd report you to compliance but they are too busy blocking people from voting because they like the foo fighters
    The Foo Fighters? I could understand if liking Coldplay was grounds for stopping you voting in a Labour leadership election (or having Kenny Everett videos as he was a Conservative supporter), but the Foo Fighters must be a joke.

    Meanwhile the RL Greens are having a Leadership election without all this drama.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Meanwhile the RL Greens are having a Leadership election without all this drama.
    I presume you're standing in it?
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    I presume you're standing in it?
    Too late. I supported Caroline Lucas and Jonathan Bartley (a job share)
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Too late. I supported Caroline Lucas and Jonathan Bartley (a job share)
    I think Jonathan Bartley would be good. I think Caroline Lucas might be a bit too rebellious to be a leader but she could prove me wrong.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    I think Jonathan Bartley would be good. I think Caroline Lucas might be a bit too rebellious to be a leader but she could prove me wrong.
    She's already been leader you know...
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    (Original post by Aph)
    She's already been leader you know...
    Lol. I didn't know that.
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    'Tis done.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
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    'Tis done.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    I thought you were a non-Corbynista?
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
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    'Tis done.
    *casually removes cran from the usergroup*
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    (Original post by Aph)
    *casually removes cran from the usergroup*
    You're a Corbynista?
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    You're a Corbynista?
    He's better than smith.
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    As much as it's interesting to see you guys supporting Smith one has to remember that you guys were spouting the Corbyn mantra only 6 months ago, even infecting normally sane people like Ray.

    The notion that any of you thought the people were crying out for an extremist who hates our historic cultural institutions proves why Labour probably don't deserve any respect and why you guys should still not be trusted.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    As much as it's interesting to see you guys supporting Smith one has to remember that you guys were spouting the Corbyn mantra only 6 months ago, even infecting normally sane people like Ray.

    The notion that any of you thought the people were crying out for an extremist who hates our historic cultural institutions proves why Labour probably don't deserve any respect and why you guys should still not be trusted.
    My stance hasn't changed because I think he's any less electable, but because my views have changed, more of his policy platform which I find unpalatable has come to light, and the other candidates were mostly genuinely terrible last time around (Burnham was okay, and if I could go back now, I'd vote him-Corbyn-Cooper-Kendall).

    However, the man is not an extremist (the whole 'terrorist sympathiser' thing is complete nonsense if you spend a couple of minutes using your cognitive faculties - there's much more of a case to be made for McDonnell, I'll admit), and I don't see how either a) he hates historic institutions, or b) why that's a bad thing (if something is bad on balance in a vacuum, the fact that it is 'historic' or an 'institution' doesn't suddenly mean it's worth retaining).
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    I thought you were a non-Corbynista?
    I dislike Corbyn but I really dislike Smith. I'd prefer it if Corbyn won this contest and then a decent candidate challenged him and won. I agree that the party needs a new leader but I just don't believe Smith is the way to go.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    As much as it's interesting to see you guys supporting Smith one has to remember that you guys were spouting the Corbyn mantra only 6 months ago, even infecting normally sane people like Ray.

    The notion that any of you thought the people were crying out for an extremist who hates our historic cultural institutions proves why Labour probably don't deserve any respect and why you guys should still not be trusted.
    Our historical cultural institutions such as the NHS, out trade unions, the House of Lords etc, which the Tories are launching attacks on?

    You're being disingenuous.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    My stance hasn't changed because I think he's any less electable, but because my views have changed, more of his policy platform which I find unpalatable has come to light, and the other candidates were mostly genuinely terrible last time around (Burnham was okay, and if I could go back now, I'd vote him-Corbyn-Cooper-Kendall).

    However, the man is not an extremist (the whole 'terrorist sympathiser' thing is complete nonsense if you spend a couple of minutes using your cognitive faculties - there's much more of a case to be made for McDonnell, I'll admit), and I don't see how either a) he hates historic institutions, or b) why that's a bad thing (if something is bad on balance in a vacuum, the fact that it is 'historic' or an 'institution' doesn't suddenly mean it's worth retaining).
    He's a Republican, he does not support the union, he would give the Falklands and Gibraltor away, he's somewhat sympathetic to Russia and would leave NATO (god forbid what he would do to defense spending). Those are just a start.

    The problem with the Corbyn types is not so much the threat they pose to capitalism (if the right cannot defend the market economy then they deserve to lose) but rather the radical price that you guys are willing to pay for it. A monarchy that goes back the better part of a thousand years, a union which stretches back centuries, overseas territories we fought a war for, an alliance which services our interests against the very threat that he shows sympathy for.

    This is not a man who wants to make people more prosperous, but a man who hates what his country is.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    He's better than smith.
    When you think Corbyn is the best candidate, the Labour Party is in such **** it is unbelievable. It is sad to see a once lean mean election winning machine in such a state...
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Our historical cultural institutions such as the NHS, out trade unions, the House of Lords etc, which the Tories are launching attacks on?

    You're being disingenuous.
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    Whaffle!

    You guys have been telling us that the Tories will privatise the NHS for 6 years.. it's still here.
    Tories are launching attacks on the HOL?
    Unions are private institutions and still have significant legal protection.
 
 
 
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