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    (Original post by ad98)
    but you did *literally* say that. your entire argument is founded on baseless facts, therefore completely degrading your argument that the majority of muslims are intolerant close-minded bigots. if you want to have a mature and frank discussion be honest, you won't get anywhere with spewing bs.
    I said that's what the poll said. I never said that the poll was 100% accurate though, did I. that's why I was saying it was "something like 90%" to the other person...it was obviously *somewhat* accurate, because the sample size was at least somewhat competent for making a conclusive viewpoint.
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    (Original post by mariachi)
    did I ? where exactly ?

    well, come to think of it, the Quran does condone sex with captive slave women ; who, just like minors, are not in a position to give a valid consent to sex. So, yes, this is technically rape

    thanks for reminding us this interesting fact

    I linked nothing at all. You linked that childish apologetics page

    But , no problem, dear friend : whatever floats your boat

    oh, dear me... what a disgrace... I will cry

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    You said "So you can basically rape nonbelievers" based on a passage in the Quran, which in any way you want to pretend you viewed it, means you think the Quran condones rape.

    But go ahead and call me an apologist if it reinforces your crumbling argument.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    You said "So you can basically rape nonbelievers" based on a passage in the Quran, which in any way you want to pretend you viewed it, means you think the Quran condones rape.

    But go ahead and call me an apologist if it reinforces your crumbling argument.
    I never mentioned raping unbelievers : most likely, you are confusing me with QE2

    you sound like a very confused person : why don't you read the posts you are answering ?

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    I never mentioned raping unbelievers : most likely, you are confusing me with QE2

    you sound like a very confused person : why don't you read the posts you are answering ?

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    I blocked QE2, and I am very tempted to block you as well tbh, you are fully aware of the unnecessary, immature smears you are placing on me, while also plainly denying what you said about 5 replies back.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    I blocked QE2, and I am very tempted to block you as well tbh, you are fully aware of the unnecessary, immature smears you are placing on me, while also plainly denying what you said about 5 replies back.
    please, show me where I mentioned "raping unbelievers", or apologize

    as to blocking me, go ahead : you can also put your hands on your ears and shout : "la la la, can't hear you"

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    please, show me where I mentioned "raping unbelievers", or apologize

    as to blocking me, go ahead : you can also put your hands on your ears and shout : "la la la, can't hear you"

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    I've been listening to your BS and smears for longer than you deserve.

    And you said, as I said VERY clearly, "So you can basically rape non-believers"
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    I've been listening to your BS and smears for longer than you deserve.

    And you said, as I said VERY clearly, "So you can basically rape non-believers"
    OK

    so, you are just making absurd claims and, when challenged, refuse to produce proof

    and you have also the gall to accuse other posters of "smearing you"

    not a bad performance : congrats

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    (Original post by mariachi)
    OK

    so, you are just making absurd claims and, when challenged, refuse to produce proof

    and you have also the gall to accuse other posters of "smearing you"

    not a bad performance : congrats

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    I proved it, you deny it. That is a closer story to the truth.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    I proved it, you deny it. That is a closer story to the truth.
    you seem to have some problems with reality : it is not an uncommon situation

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...6#post67138496
    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    You said "So you can basically rape nonbelievers" based on a passage in the Quran
    ,

    now : quote my post where I said that the Quran allows raping nonbelievers, or shut up

    or (better still) apologise

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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    I've been listening to your BS and smears for longer than you deserve.

    Are you trolling?
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    They may not openly treat gay people differently, but personally they think that they do not deserve the same treatment as straight couples. Therefore they do treat them differently.

    A racist who does not make racist comments or racist attacks is still a racist if they believe that people should be judged by their race or colour rather that personal attributes.
    No, they just view marriage as a religious thing, as many other people do. Others, like me, don’t.
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    (Original post by ad98)
    so in your opinion most attacks in the world are committed by muslims?
    The majority of people killed by terrorism are the victims of Islamist extremists.


    And the vast majority of these attacks occur in Muslim majority countries.
    The biggest perpetarators of terrorism are Muslims, and the biggest victims are Muslims.
    Ideological sectarianism always seems to bring out the worst in people - especially if that ideology explicitly condones the use of violence against out-groups.
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    There was a 326% increase in anti-muslim hate crimes in 2015 alone (source), and promoting this "us vs them" mentality makes the (ostensible) lack of integration worse, not better.

    It's really disturbing how muslims (as a homogenous group) are treated as fair game for many people, this can be seen even in mainstream discourse. Worrying.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37079910

    According to the New York mayor, in response to the shooting of two Muslims outside a mosque. I think he is absolutely right, we cannot let ourselves collectively incriminate all Muslims for the actions of the few.
    You have to take into account considerations. First, it is of course vile to discriminate or abuse someone simply because they are a Muslim.

    Second, it's not a coincidence that all the scrutiny is on Muslims. It's not a coincidence that Hindus, Sikhs and Jews aren't facing this sort of backlash.

    The problem is that easily a majority of Muslims in the West buy into the victimhood mentality, that they are mealy-mouthed when it comes to condemning terrorism, and they are unwiling to consider how the fundamental tenets of their religion contribute to why there are more British Muslims in the military of ISIS than in the military of the United Kingdom.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    so why is this violence borderline non-existent in the highest population Muslim regions, and specific to the deprived, corrupt, desert regions which have had violent regimes such as Assad?

    the cause is not religion here buddy
    What on earth are you talking about? The two "most Islamic" countries for their respective branch of Islam, Saudi Arabia and Iran, both murder homosexuals and apostates. Homosexuality is a crime under the Assad government, and even before the civil war they faced oppression, sexual abuse and honour killings.

    To claim this stuff is non-existent in "highest population Muslim regions" is laughable, so much so that you are either completely deluded or incredibly ignorant of the Middle East
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    (Original post by lawyer3c)
    There was a 326% increase in anti-muslim hate crimes in 2015 alone (source), and promoting this "us vs them" mentality makes the (ostensible) lack of integration worse, not better.

    It's really disturbing how muslims (as a homogenous group) are treated as fair game for many people, this can be seen even in mainstream discourse. Worrying.
    The putative 326% increase was merely what was claimed by "Tell Mama", an organisation dedicated to stamping out "Islmamophobia".

    They also have a tendency to label events as Islamophobic that are either legitimate criticism of Islam, or which they supposedly claim have "nothing to do with Islam" (i.e. condemning terrorism)
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    (Original post by ad98)
    but you did *literally* say that. your entire argument is founded on baseless facts, therefore completely degrading your argument that the majority of muslims are intolerant close-minded bigots. if you want to have a mature and frank discussion be honest, you won't get anywhere with spewing bs.
    Any survey has a built-in confidence level and margin of error. Even if the results say 100%, the actual figure would usually be in a range from 93% - 100%.

    I think it entirely reasonable to accept that 93% of Muslims worldwide think homosexuality is wrong, even taking your claims about LGBT Muslims into account.
    On a logical point, there is no reason why a gay Muslim must necessarily approve of homosexuality. There are many people who do things despite thinking that it is wrong. Remember that homosexuality is not something you choose to do, it is something that you are. There are regularly tragic cases of people (even outside an inherantly homophobic environment like Islam) who take their own lives because of the struggle between the internal and external.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    The putative 326% increase was merely what was claimed by "Tell Mama", an organisation dedicated to stamping out "Islmamophobia".
    Do you have a better source?

    The ADL is an organisation dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism, do you inherently doubt their statistics on the prevalence of anti-Semitism on that basis also?

    They also have a tendency to label events as Islamophobic that are either legitimate criticism of Islam, or which they supposedly claim have "nothing to do with Islam" (i.e. condemning terrorism)
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    (Original post by ad98)
    therefore completely degrading your argument that the majority of muslims are intolerant close-minded bigots.
    I would certainly reject that the majority of Muslims are "close-minded bigots", but the majority certainly hold some close-minded, bigoted views.
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    (Original post by lawyer3c)
    Do you have a better source?
    What do you mean do I have a better source? The fact that the 326% figure comes from Tell Mama, and that they are an organisation whose raison d'etre is to stamp out "Islamophobia", is surely not something you dispute?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...says-tell-mama

    The ADL is an organisation dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism, do you inherently doubt their statistics on the prevalence of anti-Semitism on that basis also?
    Actually yes. The ADL (an American organisation, in case you didn't realise) has a tendency to go overboard. On the other hand, the Board of Deputies of British Jewry and Community Security Trust are very respectable organisations who publish the underlying data for their claims, and the particular criteria by which they classify attacks or abuse. Tell Mama is much more opaque
 
 
 
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