There is no evidence for God

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    (Original post by LightAtTheEnd)
    My references are your posts throughout this discussion. Feel free to check them out buddy, maybe if you remove that blindfold you will see what I'm talking about. Besides, 'God' told me how to make these conclusions in of my personal experiences. God is above your rules and laws and always right, therefore so am I.
    haha, funny.
    you'll still get very bad grades referencing all your points just from one "website".
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    (Original post by Paranoid_Glitch)
    Sin.
    What exactly do you mean by that? Does my mere existence mean i deserve to be tortured for eternity?
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    (Original post by davidoriakhi)
    haha, funny.
    you'll still get very bad grades referencing all your points just from one "website".
    Everything is pre-determined. So are my grades God has planned this.
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    (Original post by Pride)
    No this isn't true. You don't know what you're saying. You also don't see the serious implications if what your saying is true.

    The bible has been translated many times - indeed it has. Yet, if you aren't satisfied with the translations available, then you can look at the many many reliable manuscripts yourself, study Ancient Greek and Hebrew, and make your own translation.

    If you knew anything about ancient texts, we don't have a more reliable set of ancient texts than the Old and New Testaments. Nothing on earth compares. Not Homer's Iliad. Not Plato. Yet you're not claiming those to be unreliable.

    You may also want to google the discovery called the Dead Sea Scrolls for more evidence on the reliability of the OT.



    The bible doesn't just contain stories on how to live our lives. Being a Christian isn't just about living a moral life. It's actually all about Jesus, a man who actually existed, who was also God. Jesus was crucified by people like us, sinners, haters of good, lovers of evil. He did nothing wrong, but he was accused of something he didn't do, and allowed himself to be executed, in order for whoever would believe to have their sins forgiven. Being a Christian is about knowing the one who loved you enough to die to save you from all the wrong things you and everybody else has done.

    It's NOT about being moral. If we could get by just by being a good person, Jesus certainly would not have given his life as a sacrifice for us. No, it's about either having Jesus' righteousness undeservingly and freely imputed to you, or having to pay for your sins by yourself.
    You're right, I'm no expert of the bible and I totally see your point. I was just drawing on my knowledge of how things get lost in translation.

    Yes, I also know that Jesus plays an important part. I was just trying to say that you can't just say "I'm a Christian because I believe everything in the bible". You have to act on what you learn from the bible and live how Jesus would have wanted you too.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    The commonly used definition of agnosticism in theological discussions was proposed by Huxley, who was neither convinced by arguments for God's existence, nor for His non-existence. Huxley explicitly denied atheism; he didn't "lack belief". Hence agnosticism has always been a stand-alone position in this particular context.
    Oh right. Thanks, I'll look this up.
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    (Original post by LightAtTheEnd)
    Everything is pre-determined. So are my grades God has planned this.
    Gee, thanks God. Thanks for those grade boundaries!
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    (Original post by WoodyMKC)
    It's a fun idea, but it doesn't really work. A deity that is practically invisible to us and is believed by many to have created the earth and its inhabitants vs. a reptilian creature that would hardly be inconspicuous, yet nobody the world over has never seen even a single trace of.
    I'm talking about invisible 4th dimensional dragons :hand:
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    (Original post by Zargabaath)
    I'm talking about invisible 4th dimensional dragons :hand:
    Invisible 4th dimension dragons that have done absolutely nothing to (supposedly) prove their existence, I might add
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    Any other deists in the house? We disagree with both theists and atheists!
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    (Original post by WoodyMKC)
    Invisible 4th dimension dragons that have done absolutely nothing to (supposedly) prove their existence, I might add
    Yeah but you can't disprove them
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    (Original post by Zargabaath)
    Yeah but you can't disprove them
    True, but then there is absolutely not even a single grain of evidence for them existing, so if someone were to believe that they might exist I'd imagine they were either a child or on hallucinogenic drugs :lol:
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    (Original post by davidguettafan)
    So why do people still believe in God?


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    what is evidence?
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    (Original post by Pride)
    No this isn't true. You don't know what you're saying. You also don't see the serious implications if what your saying is true.

    The bible has been translated many times - indeed it has. Yet, if you aren't satisfied with the translations available, then you can look at the many many reliable manuscripts yourself, study Ancient Greek and Hebrew, and make your own translation.

    If you knew anything about ancient texts, we don't have a more reliable set of ancient texts than the Old and New Testaments. Nothing on earth compares. Not Homer's Iliad. Not Plato. Yet you're not claiming those to be unreliable.

    You may also want to google the discovery called the Dead Sea Scrolls for more evidence on the reliability of the OT.



    The bible doesn't just contain stories on how to live our lives. Being a Christian isn't just about living a moral life. It's actually all about Jesus, a man who actually existed, who was also God. Jesus was crucified by people like us, sinners, haters of good, lovers of evil. He did nothing wrong, but he was accused of something he didn't do, and allowed himself to be executed, in order for whoever would believe to have their sins forgiven. Being a Christian is about knowing the one who loved you enough to die to save you from all the wrong things you and everybody else has done.

    It's NOT about being moral. If we could get by just by being a good person, Jesus certainly would not have given his life as a sacrifice for us. No, it's about either having Jesus' righteousness undeservingly and freely imputed to you, or having to pay for your sins by yourself.
    I think I just gavomitted reading that.
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    (Original post by Pride)
    How can you assert anything to be evil if God doesn't exist? You are stealing from a theistic worldview, in order to attempt to refute theism.

    You are also asserting the God of the bible to be evil, without demonstrating how your moral principles trump that of the God presented in the bible.

    I'm happy to discuss this further if you like, but I just wanted to point out right from the get go that your objection is not based on sound reason.
    Christians don't have a monopoly on good and evil...
    If you were this delusional and arrogant about anything else, people would tell you to see a psychiatrist.
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    (Original post by Dima-Blackburn)
    The commonly used definition of agnosticism in theological discussions was proposed by Huxley, who was neither convinced by arguments for God's existence, nor for His non-existence. Huxley explicitly denied atheism; he didn't "lack belief". Hence agnosticism has always been a stand-alone position in this particular context.
    I personally have an extreme dislike for agnostics. They are lying to themselves. Why should the God delusion be any special? They aren't agnostic about the existence of a tea pot holding up the Earth are they? Or about dragons and fairies existing? So why God?
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    (Original post by davidoriakhi)
    He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
    The reason why we have a beginning and an end is because we are DEFINED and LIMITED by time. GOD IS NOT LIMITED BY TIME. HE DEFINED TIME HIMSELF!
    so He didn't come from anywhere, He has always been there, and He will forever be there.
    Its a fact, just deal with it.
    God bless.
    It's a fact that humans were such a **** invention by God, that he has long abandoned us and moved on to a new experiment. Deal with it.
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    (Original post by Pride)
    There's plenty of evidence of God's existence.
    Name me but one that is not a circle jerk.
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    (Original post by Pride)
    How can you assert anything to be evil if God doesn't exist? You are stealing from a theistic worldview, in order to attempt to refute theism.

    You are also asserting the God of the bible to be evil, without demonstrating how your moral principles trump that of the God presented in the bible.

    I'm happy to discuss this further if you like, but I just wanted to point out right from the get go that your objection is not based on sound reason.
    I'm going to quote the bible right back at you, here.
    "The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on his foes and vents his wrath against his enemies. " Nahum 1:2

    Doesn't sound very virtuous and all loving to me.
    Also, to quote Isaiah 45:7,
    "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do ... The redemption of sinners by the Son of God, and the pouring out the Spirit"
    Assuming your god does exist, it means that you are worshipping the man who created all evil. Also, even though he's "all-loving", I'm going to hell (Which I have no problems with, mostly because hell doesn't exist). And that he always knew I was going to hell, and the he created me knowing I wouldn't be a believer and therefore going to hell. Because that makes sense in his "infinite wisdom". Your god makes no sense.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    With all due respect, the Quran contains no impressive science at all and certainly none that has been discovered in the last 100 years. The supposed scientific miracles of the Quran have been discussed on this site at great length and they have all been thoroughly debunked, ranging from vague pseudoscience that was plagiarised from earlier civilisations to bits of science that are downright wrong.

    The rest of your post is mostly the God of the Gaps fallacy. Saying things like "future generations may prove God exists" is hardly a compelling argument, is it? You're basically admitting there is currently no evidence for God's existence.
    That doesnt mean God doesnt exist, look this was just meant to be a thought experiment. I just was trying to say we just dont know yet.

    For me to say God is real, doesnt nessasarily discount any scientific evidence/ theory like the theory of evolution, there could be a link between these two arguements.


    But thanks for reminding me that I shouldnt post on TSR
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    (Original post by Ua3142)
    That doesnt mean God doesnt exist, look this was just meant to be a thought experiment. I just was trying to say we just dont know yet.

    For me to say God is real, doesnt nessasarily discount any scientific evidence/ theory like the theory of evolution, there could be a link between these two arguements.


    But thanks for reminding me that I shouldnt post on TSR
    Yes it does.

    If you are making up a mythical, magical, incomprehensible being, then as long as there is zero credible evidence for it, and plenty of scientific evidence against many of the claims made surrounding this magical being, then there is pretty strong evidence that it doesn't exist.

    Yes you are right, I do not discount the idea that there is some sort of all-powerful entity. However, that is more likely to be just an ultimate form of energy and most certainly not some sort of benevolent "God" that made humans special.
 
 
 
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