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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The fact that your "moderate" Labour Party voted down a truly moderate finance bill against the interests of the people is the only insult to the electorate here. We passed some good stuff, legislated for some good stuff and we still have more in the tank that we couldn't quite get out last term.



    As would I



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    My party's ideology isn't 'moderatism'. It's social democracy and democratic socialism. You put out a budget that targeted the poorest and was full of wishful thinking.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Rather, a finance bill which did literally nothing good and wasted tax money on an enormous subsidy to the rich?
    I think you mean a finance bill that raised the personal allowance and took VAT off Energy Bills, given those on low incomes extra vital money into their pockets. If that's "literally nothing good", it's clear the Labour Party doesn't support helping those on low incomes.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    My party's ideology isn't 'moderatism'. It's social democracy and democratic socialism. You put out a budget that targeted the poorest and was full of wishful thinking.
    See my reply to TDA for most of this.

    Our budget didn't target the poorest, it helped them, and then your party voted against. I'm glad you admit your party isn't moderate though
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I think you mean a finance bill that raised the personal allowance and took VAT off Energy Bills, given those on low incomes extra vital money into their pockets. If that's "literally nothing good", it's clear the Labour Party doesn't support helping those on low incomes.
    Given taxation operates to effectively redistribute income, raising the personal allowance has little to no effect on people on low incomes. It's a nominal, but not a real, increase in expenditure capacity, which is populist crowd-pleasing rather than anything designed to actually help the poor.

    The VAT off energy bills was good. Less important than the repugnance of the state using tax receipts to give free money to the rich.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    See my reply to TDA for most of this.

    Our budget didn't target the poorest, it helped them, and then your party voted against. I'm glad you admit your party isn't moderate though
    I never said my party isn't moderate. I said our ideology isn't 'moderatism'. We don't look at a bill and go 'well it's ****, but at least it's moderate - let's vote for that'.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I think you mean a finance bill that raised the personal allowance and took VAT off Energy Bills, given those on low incomes extra vital money into their pockets. If that's "literally nothing good", it's clear the Labour Party doesn't support helping those on low incomes.
    If you truly believe that then you'll prove it if there's a Labour-led government next term and we produce a budget that includes the things that were actually good about your one. I'm sure several members would support the highest income tax hike of our time - something that JD found so repellent he appears to have left the party over it and other things.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    PetrosAC Unown Uzer - thoughts?
    1) Your reason why people shouldn't vote for Labour is because they are 'drug abusers' and have 'admitted to commiting lewd and lascivious acts in public'. Where is the evidence for this and why is it relevant to this election?

    JoeL1994, who was a Labour MP, stated: 'I smoke weed like, whenever I get the chance' and Labour MP TheDefiniteArticle asked: 'what do you guys think about a cheeky **** in the back of an English lesson, our of interest?' Then I asked him: 'That's disgusting. Do you do that?' He replied: 'All the time. I sneak into English classes to do it'. These things are clearly stated in the MHoC's official newspaper, Ad HoC. This is relevant to this election, as it demonstrates that the Labour party openly allows drug abusers and known sex offenders to be their MPs. The voters need to know that by voting Labour, they are voting in an MP who does these illegal and disgusting acts, corrupting the moral fabric of our society and the minds of our innocent children, setting them a terrible example.

    2) Immigration does seem to play a key role in your policies, both in the legislation you've created this term and in your manifesto. What would you say to those who believe UKIP's focus is too narrow?

    Immigration is one of the most important issues facing the United Kingdom. We need to tackle mass, uncontrolled immigration and restore immigration to sensible numbers with an Australian-style points-based system. UKIP seeks to tackle the major issues facing this country, and many of our supporters and potential voters tell us that immigration is far too high, so UKIP, unlike the rest of the pro-mass immigration and politically correct parties, will end mass, uncontrolled immigration to stop us from being a sinking ship.

    3) What would, in your opinion, be a 'sensible number' for immigration levels.

    A sensible number for immigration levels would be much lower than what we are currently getting. This number changes from year to year depending on economic conditions and the amount of immigration we need in that year.

    4) Is it true that UKIP tried to set up a ConUKIP coalition in the middle of this term?

    No. The former Conservative leader, Life_peer, was content with staying in bed with the Liberals. I hope that Mobbsy91, unlike his predecessor, is not a leader who refuses to go into coalition with a party simply because of a grudge held against the party leader.

    5) TSR UKIP appears to be quite a right-wing party. Is this is a fair assumption and if so, are you planning for your party to stay like this for the forseeable future?

    TSR UKIP is neither left-wing, nor ring-wing. We're patriots who believe in restoring Britain's glory. TSR UKIP will continue to strive to restore Britain's glory in the forseeable future.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    I'd piss myself if the libs were largest party now
    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    As would I
    #YesWeCan :rofl:
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    #VoteLiberal #ImwithPetros
    #StandWithPetros #JeSuisPetros
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    (Original post by iEthan)
    #StandWithPetros #JeSuisPetros
    You're not Petros
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    (Original post by Matrix123)
    You're not Petros
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    (Original post by unown uzer)
    5) tsr ukip appears to be quite a right-wing party. Is this is a fair assumption and if so, are you planning for your party to stay like this for the forseeable future?

    tsr ukip is neither left-wing, nor ring-wing. We're patriots who believe in restoring britain's glory. tsr ukip will continue to strive to restore britain's glory in the forseeable future.
    what ooo #THIRDWAY #FASCIST :eek: :eek:
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    (Original post by iEthan)
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    I think you've been having too many of those secret Liberal biscuits
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    what ooo #THIRDWAY #FASCIST :eek: :eek:
    What's with the increased use of #s in this thread?
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    That's what they all say but never do it :teehee:
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    (Original post by saraxh)
    That's what they all say but never do it :teehee:
    No one likes to admit to being jealous of individual who have things.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Our budget didn't target the poorest, it helped them, and then your party voted against. I'm glad you admit your party isn't moderate though
    Your party didn't sting the poorest as much as it could have done but the right-wing influence was definitely showing. Overall I thought the budget was decent, even though it was rather late. However, I did find several issues with it which weren't even addressed at the time so I'll list them here again:

    - You were investing 3 times more money in drug & drink abuse services than you were in mental health services. I personally feel this is a mix-up of priorities.
    - You were abolishing the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills for no firm reason.
    - You were wasting money on prison refurbishment.
    - The £10 put aside for Christmas Bonuses is just a token. Surely it would be better for this money to be donated to homeless charities instead?
    - You slashed overseas aid spending by too much
    - Why pump more money into our museums when they are already among the rest in Europe?
    - Finally, I thought that taking into account how long we had to wait, the budget was quite short.

    Having said that, it could have been a lot worse.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    Your party didn't sting the poorest as much as it could have done but the right-wing influence was definitely showing. Overall I thought the budget was decent, even though it was rather late. However, I did find several issues with it which weren't even addressed at the time so I'll list them here again:

    - You were investing 3 times more money in drug & drink abuse services than you were in mental health services. I personally feel this is a mix-up of priorities.
    - You were abolishing the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills for no firm reason.
    - You were wasting money on prison refurbishment.
    - The £10 put aside for Christmas Bonuses is just a token. Surely it would be better for this money to be donated to homeless charities instead?
    - You slashed overseas aid spending by too much
    - Why pump more money into our museums when they are already among the rest in Europe?
    - Finally, I thought that taking into account how long we had to wait, the budget was quite short.

    Having said that, it could have been a lot worse.
    You clearly haven't seen any other TSR budget then because they take time to write and produce. Anything around 4 or so months in is good.

    As for its length, that's pretty much the length of all of them. That is literally no reason to oppose things.

    Of course the budget was going to have some form of right-wing influence, but the fact that as a whole it was fairly centrist just proves that as a Government we were producing a budget that needed to pass and was pragmatic, rather than something ideological.

    We put more money into drink and drug services as they were under funded. In Government with Labour we put more funding into mental health and we increased it further. We're pledging to push for even funding so we can reduce waiting times and improve treatments.

    We decided to abolish BIS as the Chancellor was doing most of it anyway, with Higher Education moving back to Education.

    Spending money on prison refurbishment isn't wasting it. Have a look at the state of our prisons and then come back to me.

    Any increase should be welcomed, though we could have looked at direction it to some form of fund rather than straight at people.

    I do feel we cut Foreign aid too much, and I always made that clear internally. It would have been a lot lower. However, we were still always prioritising the countries that needed it most and ensuring countries shaped up on things like Human Rights and corruption before getting funding again.

    You'll have to direct me to the museums bit. I can't remember that.


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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    JoeL1994, who was a Labour MP, stated: 'I smoke weed like, whenever I get the chance' and Labour MP TheDefiniteArticle asked: 'what do you guys think about a cheeky **** in the back of an English lesson, our of interest?' Then I asked him: 'That's disgusting. Do you do that?' He replied: 'All the time. I sneak into English classes to do it'.
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    I do hope the Chief Mouser is kept in the next Cabinet.
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    Labour has apparently done so many immeasurably good things that they don't want to tell anybody what they are. Is this a confession that even Labour believe they did nothing good?
 
 
 
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