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    (Original post by alpen)
    Haha I'd join you :cool: (awkward moment when we regret this in a few months or so)

    Tbh I think rusty has the potential to be a great villain, why? because he's seen into the Doctors mind, I can't remember many daleks doing that in the past although I may have forgotten something.
    I'll just keep a fringe for the rest of my life. At least we'll have amazing conversation starters

    That's actually a really good point. I don't know how they could bring him back, but if they did this would be a really interesting angle for them to take. Who knows what Rusty could have seen in there? They might have to think of a more menacing name than Rusty though!
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    (Original post by syrettd)
    I'll just keep a fringe for the rest of my life. At least we'll have amazing conversation starters

    That's actually a really good point. I don't know how they could bring him back, but if they did this would be a really interesting angle for them to take. Who knows what Rusty could have seen in there? They might have to think of a more menacing name than Rusty though!
    Haha ''Where did you get that?'' in response ''have you seen doctor who? ''

    You know what I find interesting is it could be a plot by the daleks all along, deliberately damage rusty to then gather information and memories the doctor has had, probably to create a timelord dalek or something freaky

    I like the name its simple, imagine if rusty turn bad as is about to destroy the world then capaldi just says ''Oh no rusty, I thought we used to be friends!'' :lol:
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    (Original post by alpen)
    Haha ''Where did you get that?'' in response ''have you seen doctor who? ''

    You know what I find interesting is it could be a plot by the daleks all along, deliberately damage rusty to then gather information and memories the doctor has had, probably to create a timelord dalek or something freaky

    I like the name its simple, imagine if rusty turn bad as is about to destroy the world then capaldi just says ''Oh no rusty, I thought we used to be friends!'' :lol:
    That could be good, though how the daleks would get Rusty to cooperate is tricky. They'd have to block Rusty's 'happy' memories, and then get access to the Doctor's mind without it influencing Rusty, or any of them, into being good/killing each other.

    I can totally imagine Capaldi going 'Come on Rusty, you used to be cool' this needs to happen now!
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    Loved loved loved it. A Dalek episode that actually did something original with the whole idea?! Ace.

    As for Doctor hating soldiers - that isn't new. He hates guns, violence, and only works with soldiers when he absolutely has to. It was no more extreme in that episode than before. And showing Danny Pink weeping over things that happened when he was a solider is hardly anti-military, is it?! I don't even see why this is an issue tbh.




    Also, Journey Blue (Zawe Ashton) is my godsister :awesome:
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    (Original post by Feefifofum)
    Loved loved loved it. A Dalek episode that actually did something original with the whole idea?! Ace.

    As for Doctor hating soldiers - that isn't new. He hates guns, violence, and only works with soldiers when he absolutely has to. It was no more extreme in that episode than before. And showing Danny Pink weeping over things that happened when he was a solider is hardly anti-military, is it?! I don't even see why this is an issue tbh.




    Also, Journey Blue (Zawe Ashton) is my godsister :awesome:
    Yeah, I think some people (on other websites!) are overreacting about the Doctor's hating on soldiers. I remember a few times he's shown a dislike, one of the more recent ones that springs to mind being when Martha joined UNIT. I seem to recall he wasn't too happy about that.

    You know Zawe Ashton? Tell her to get her butt back to filming Fresh Meat
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    (Original post by Dalek1099)
    I forgot about when the Doctor said "crying was for civilians" could definitely have used that in my Ofcom complaint that the episode was insensitive and prejudiced about soldiers.The whole episode seemed to attack the whole idea of soldiers in a completely one sided way.I thought the episode was brilliant though(much better than the appalling Asylum of the Daleks0 and this is Capaldi's best episode(I have seen some leaked ones) Capaldi seems to be a bit hit and miss.
    Really? The doctor has always been anti-soldier - the concept of soldiers goes against what he wants to be.

    Besides, bar the doctors dislike of soldiers, there wasn't anything really anti-soldier in the episode. Danny looks like he could be a really interesting character - I got the impression he was supposed to be suffering from PTSD and struggling to adapt to civilian life and living with what he's done. If anything, it's the set up pf a character supposed to do the complete opposite of spread prejudice against soldiers.

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    It reminded me of the Star Trek TNG episode "I Borg" when the Enterprise found an injured Borg drone and made it better and then in later episodes, it leads a Borg revolt.

    The Star Trek OS episode, "Assignment: Earth", the character Gary Seven used a pen like device as a remote control and communications device and the Sonic screwdriver appeared in Dr Who several weeks after with similar functions.
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    (Original post by syrettd)
    Yeah, I think some people (on other websites!) are overreacting about the Doctor's hating on soldiers. I remember a few times he's shown a dislike, one of the more recent ones that springs to mind being when Martha joined UNIT. I seem to recall he wasn't too happy about that.

    You know Zawe Ashton? Tell her to get her butt back to filming Fresh Meat
    Sadly we haven't met since we were kids :p:
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    Loved the episode. Interesting that we see the doctor save the soldier girl just before she died by wrapping his tardis around her. I think is what missy is doing when she greets people in ''heaven'' when they ''die'', suggesting that she is a timelord or at least has a tardis :p:
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    (Original post by Farseer)
    Loved the episode. Interesting that we see the doctor save the soldier girl just before she died by wrapping his tardis around her. I think is what missy is doing when she greets people in ''heaven'' when they ''die'', suggesting that she is a timelord or at least has a tardis :p:
    Can't be - we saw the half faced man impaled on the weather vane.

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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Can't be - we saw the half faced man impaled on the weather vane.

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    Hmm I thought he was still moving, but on closer inspection it looked like the wind was blowing him about :shifty:
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    I like this new series. Was expected much worse. I like the character development of the Dr. That veil metaphor for the Dr's regeneration in the first episode was pretty smart. I really enjoy Capaldi as the Dr.

    But there's so much fluff I don't like. Unlike Rose and Martha, Clara is an empty character for me. There's little development in her character that does nto revolve around the Dr. The whole lesbian alien relationship is just a gimmick. All the males around them are bumbling idiots, they're super good fighters, yawn. It's trying to be edgy but it's just contrived. The gimmick can't even decide whether it's a "oh yeah homosexuality and women are equals get on with it" or "ooh, we're lesbos, deal with it, i judge you bcus ur judging me, men are dumb, look how empowered we are", so it does both, which breaks the direction of the text. The characters amount to nothing outside that gimmick, and they contribute to the text in no ways outside that gimmick. Moffat's a competent writer, I just wish he'd cut this nonsense out ffs.

    And the annoying fact that that it ignores historical influence. Victorian Britain are just like "meh" when a dinosaur (bigger than any actually existing dinosaur of that type) dinosaur starts rampaging over London. What the actual ****. Also, the human lesbian's development is in no way affected by the Victorian culture she comes from. it's like she's a 21st centurary lesbian. She has no guilt, no doubt, no journey in discovering herself. I mean that's just actually juvenile, and furthers the point her character does not actually exist outside a gimmick.
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    While it's probably the Rani if it's a previous character at all, but to go a bit more out there, what about Missy being the TARDIS? It would explain calling him boyfriend, similar personality to The Doctor's Wife and she's transporting people who the Doctor has inadvertently killed (presuming he didn't push Half-face) and keeping them in the same reality as River, as the previous location and bright lighting. Lord knows why but hey-o.

    (Original post by Feefifofum)
    Also, Journey Blue (Zawe Ashton) is my godsister :awesome:
    That... Is really cool. Barring Tamsin Greig I would want her to be the Doctor if they were to go female :3
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    (Original post by IMakeSenseToNone)
    That... Is really cool. Barring Tamsin Greig I would want her to be the Doctor if they were to go female :3
    Think I've watched too much Fresh Meat- I got a vision of her being a version of the Doctor who goes around swearing and doing lines of coke off the TARDIS console. I don't think the BBC would be comissioning that somehow!
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    What do we make the Pink/Blue connection, and Blue thinking Clara might not like soldiers?

    And any ideas who the non-soldier Blue killed might be?

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    I'm a bit confused by how the Missy thing is gonna make any sense, but guess that's the point, and it will all work out eventually...
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    Is it just me, or did that last episode deliberately allude to the 9th Dr's first meeting with a Dalek?
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    (Original post by KingStannis)
    Is it just me, or did that last episode deliberately allude to the 9th Dr's first meeting with a Dalek?
    Their were tons of references to the 9th doctor
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    (Original post by KingStannis)
    Is it just me, or did that last episode deliberately allude to the 9th Dr's first meeting with a Dalek?
    I know what you mean... they could have made it a lot less similar
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    (Original post by getfunky!)
    Interesting indeed, and the 'you're a good Dalek' line was so subtle, they didn't pay much attention to it. I think the "darker" persona comes about randomly through a regeneration and his past, he did seemingly wipe out most of the Daleks and Time Lords in the war, so he's had blood on his hands.. but now that it didn't take place and it was all rewritten, I'm left confused, why does he seem angrier but has sort of rectified his biggest mistakes. It'll probably be explained later on in the series and will likely tie in with all the loose ends, what happened to Gallifrey etc. They haven't said much at all of what happened between the 50th anniversary and the start of this series.

    It is getting overly complicated now despite only two episodes, series 5 seemed so much simpler, but Robin Hood next week:wizard:

    YAY! Robin Hood! That's true
    And yeah I thought that was strange they made it subtle as it seems so important. The doctor is a good Dalek. He shares similarities with the very thing he absolutely hates. And I agree, I don't get it either. Gah that doesn't make it simple xD I like it when everything is explained straight away so I don't have to try and remember what happened earlier! I think they should have. It's so annoying when they leave bits out. It's like they can't be bothered to write in what happened so they're just like "Naahh, we'll just get into the action and forget about the other bits". It's so frustrating

    I like going deeper into the characters though and I felt they did that in the first and the second episode. Like when Capaldi left Clara OOOOOOOOOOOO: I actually hated him then, I felt so bad for her even if he came back afterwards. Plus the bit with Capaldi being a Dalek is so insightful. I love bits like that! I prefer understanding the characters, even though the danger that surrounds them does help with that.
    EEEEEP I love Doctor who! I've missed it so much!
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    (Original post by fluteflute)
    What do we make the Pink/Blue connection, and Blue thinking Clara might not like soldiers?

    And any ideas who the non-soldier Blue killed might be?

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    I'm a bit confused by how the Missy thing is gonna make any sense, but guess that's the point, and it will all work out eventually...
    I assumed that the pink/blue thing was just to hammer home the connection between the two soldiers and the similarities and contrasts between them, as well as seeing how the Doctor and Clara have different opinions on the subject. But there might be more to it...
 
 
 
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