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    'Socialist'/'Socialism' don't need to be capitalised when you're only using them to refer to a political ideology.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    'Socialist'/'Socialism' don't need to be capitalised when you're only using them to refer to a political ideology.
    Now come on, I spent so long in the Socialist-with-a-capital-S party that I'm hardly going to change so quickly am I? :P Don't worry, we're not about to steal your name.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    We are a Socialist Party and are committed to Socialism. What we can do to best bring Socialism about, and to what extent it can and should operate within the confines of a predominantly capitalist world, is however up for debate. We share very little with the Blair era in terms of our current policy, and on many issues such as tuition fees and foreign policy are taking the exact opposite approach to what he exercised.
    (Original post by JPKC)
    'Socialist'/'Socialism' don't need to be capitalised when you're only using them to refer to a political ideology.
    So surly both the TSR Labour Party and the TSR Socialist Party have exactly the same ideology.

    Therefore arn't people voting in TSR general elections being mislead thinking that the real party which is half socialist/half capitalist but in reality they are voting for a fully socialist party by voting Labour.

    Would it not be better for the left wing, Labour and the Socialists to join together because they are the effectively same party but under different names?

    Or if the socialist are more communists then shouldn't they be advertising them selves as the TSR Communist Party?
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    Now come on, I spent so long in the Socialist-with-a-capital-S party that I'm hardly going to change so quickly am I? :P Don't worry, we're not about to steal your name.
    Simply put, the Opposition have been far more "Socialist" than the "Socialist" Party this term.

    (Original post by Will95206)
    So surly both the TSR Labour Party and the TSR Socialist Party have exactly the same ideology.

    Therefore arn't people voting in TSR general elections being mislead thinking that the real party which is half socialist/half capitalist but in reality they are voting for a fully socialist party by voting Labour.

    Would it not be better for the left wing, Labour and the Socialists to join together because they are the effectively same party but under different names?

    Or if the socialist are more communists then shouldn't they be advertising them selves as the TSR Communist Party?
    You could make a mirrored case for the Liberal Party to merge with the Libertarian Party.
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    (Original post by Will95206)
    So surly both the TSR Labour Party and the TSR Socialist Party have exactly the same ideology.

    Therefore arn't people voting in TSR general elections being mislead thinking that the real party which is half socialist/half capitalist but in reality they are voting for a fully socialist party by voting Labour.

    Would it not be better for the left wing, Labour and the Socialists to join together because they are the effectively same party but under different names?

    Or if the socialist are more communists then shouldn't they be advertising them selves as the TSR Communist Party?
    If they have the foggiest idea about anything Labour has ever stood for apart from one ten-year long spell, then they'll understand us. We may have the same ideology, but I'm sure many members interpret it very differently - I can think of plenty of Socialists who'd shirk at the idea of working with us (we're probably too mainstream!), and equally some Labour members who would be very loath indeed to go further than a coalition. It is the same really as UKIP - they are a conservative party with a small c in terms of their policy, but still have distinguishing features from the actual Conservatives.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    If they have the foggiest idea about anything Labour has ever stood for apart from one ten-year long spell, then they'll understand us. We may have the same ideology, but I'm sure many members interpret it very differently - I can think of plenty of Socialists who'd shirk at the idea of working with us (we're probably too mainstream!), and equally some Labour members who would be very loath indeed to go further than a coalition. It is the same really as UKIP - they are a conservative party with a small c in terms of their policy, but still have distinguishing features from the actual Conservatives.
    I think the UKIP-Conservative situation is a very different beast to how you describe it.

    However back to the debate in hand, surely a united socialist front will do better in elections and if you are both exactly the same ideologically then by in reality have you split? If the socialist are actually communist then why have the falsely branded themselves as the 'Socialist' rather than the 'Communists' of which they actually are?
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    (Original post by Will95206)
    I think the UKIP-Conservative situation is a very different beast to how you describe it.

    However back to the debate in hand, surely a united socialist front will do better in elections and if you are both exactly the same ideologically then by in reality have you split? If the socialist are actually communist then why have the falsely branded themselves as the 'Socialist' rather than the 'Communists' of which they actually are?
    If you want to know whether the Socialists are actually Communist, I suggest you head over to the "Ask a Socialist" thread. Merging the parties would cause issues as there's already a wide range of views within Labour, and doesn't help at all electorally - the name "Labour" is a big boost in general and will garner more votes than the "United Worker's Front" or whatever we'd call it! If we happen to be in line with each other on several policy areas anyway, we can always discuss a coalition
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    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    Simply put, the Opposition have been far more "Socialist" than the "Socialist" Party this term.
    Clearly this is true. Just remind me though, how exactly?
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    What, if anything, will Labour do about immigration and the Muslims that can park on double yellow lines without a local permit in my road to pray in a Mosque 6 blocks away?
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    If you want to know whether the Socialists are actually Communist, I suggest you head over to the "Ask a Socialist" thread. Merging the parties would cause issues as there's already a wide range of views within Labour, and doesn't help at all electorally - the name "Labour" is a big boost in general and will garner more votes than the "United Worker's Front" or whatever we'd call it! If we happen to be in line with each other on several policy areas anyway, we can always discuss a coalition
    Ah well maybe a name change is in need then? A few to get you started:

    Labour and Workers Party
    Trade Union and Socialist Party
    The People's Party
    Militant Tendency
    Revolutionary Communist Party
    Marx's foot men
    The Revolutionary Socialist Party
    The Peoples Front
    Social Democrats
    Unified Socialist Workers Party
    Left Alliance
    Progressive Front
    Or if you want to sound more democratic then just put the word 'Democratic/Democrats' in there.
    All those are just a few from the top of my head but I quite like:

    Progressive and Socialist Alliance

    Ah but is the though of losing all the real Labour supporters too much for the TSR Labour Party? I love a good debate!
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    (Original post by Will95206)
    Ah well maybe a name change is in need then? A few to get you started:

    Labour and Workers Party
    Trade Union and Socialist Party
    The People's Party
    Militant Tendency
    Revolutionary Communist Party
    Marx's foot men
    The Revolutionary Socialist Party
    The Peoples Front
    Social Democrats
    Unified Socialist Workers Party
    Left Alliance
    Progressive Front
    Or if you want to sound more democratic then just put the word 'Democratic/Democrats' in there.
    All those are just a few from the top of my head but I quite like:

    Progressive and Socialist Alliance

    Ah but is the though of losing all the real Labour supporters too much for the TSR Labour Party? I love a good debate!
    We'll leave the name changes to the Liberal Anti-Democrats, ta very much
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    (Original post by LiamMcMorrow)
    What, if anything, will Labour do about immigration and the Muslims that can park on double yellow lines without a local permit in my road to pray in a Mosque 6 blocks away?
    With regards to immigration, we believe that it is often blamed by the mass media for many problems it doesn't cause. For instance, the idea that we're spending billions on welfare payments to immigrants, when in fact they are massive net contributors to the economy - we are actually reliant on them staying! We fully intend to stay within the EU, and so accept as part of that the free movement which also benefits many British migrants, tourists and holidaymakers as well as those with family and friends abroad. We will instead of attempting a counter-productive reduction on immigration work towards the further integration of ethnic minorities into our society.

    It is often said that these communities refuse to integrate. But I don't think that is true, or that we cannot create an environment where the sceptics may change their minds. Often, the rhetoric of those who believe immigration is a bad thing creates an environment where they cannot integrate, and quite frankly I wouldn't blame them for not wanting too. As a case in point, I present the front page of this mornings Daily Express. For too long, Labour and other political parties have been too scared to call that kind of article out as what it is - not only disgraceful and misleading, but racist. If Bulgarians and Romanians are to be greeted by people telling them they have no right to be here and should "go home", they will not integrate well and many will lost all respect for people who peddle this nonsense. If we are to solve this issue, we need to drop these attitudes and tell them - "This is your country too, let's ALL be a part of it".
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    We'll leave the name changes to the Liberal Anti-Democrats, ta very much
    Ah very good! A tactical change to distance our selves from the RL Lib Dems! Although with increased election success and a cool party logo it has not been a bad change! However I was not on TSR or even the party then the change was made, glad it happened though!

    Nice convo and interesting that Labour are actually socialist I just though they were a bit left of the current Labour Party but never realised that you were that far! Will have to take that into account when siding with the TSR Labour Party....
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    (Original post by Will95206)
    Ah very good! A tactical change to distance our selves from the RL Lib Dems! Although with increased election success and a cool party logo it has not been a bad change! However I was not on TSR or even the party then the change was made, glad it happened though!

    Nice convo and interesting that Labour are actually socialist I just though they were a bit left of the current Labour Party but never realised that you were that far! Will have to take that into account when siding with the TSR Labour Party....
    Socialism doesn't have to be that far left. This isn't the SWP or the Soviet Union. Socialism has just become a dirty word when in reality we have had hugely successful socialist Labour Governments in the past, such as that of 1945-51 - we just refuse to change how we describe ourselves to suit those whose agenda appears to be discrediting Socialism at every turn
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Clearly this is true. Just remind me though, how exactly?
    The claim is more based on our production of legislation that is socialist in orientation, and the Socialist Party's distinctive lack of legislative output so far this term.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    Socialism doesn't have to be that far left. This isn't the SWP or the Soviet Union. Socialism has just become a dirty word when in reality we have had hugely successful socialist Labour Governments in the past, such as that of 1945-51 - we just refuse to change how we describe ourselves to suit those whose agenda appears to be discrediting Socialism at every turn
    Ah yes the very fine Attlee govt with many a nationalistion and the NHS (as well as creating the Atomic Bomb!)

    I see why and thanks for the response. Although two final questions:

    1. Why if Labour is socialist, the Greens are 'semi' socilaist they why have you not asked the socialist to be a part of HM Loyal opposition?

    2. Would you describe you party as mainly republican?
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    (Original post by Will95206)
    Ah yes the very fine Attlee govt with many a nationalistion and the NHS (as well as creating the Atomic Bomb!)

    I see why and thanks for the response. Although two final questions:

    1. Why if Labour is socialist, the Greens are 'semi' socilaist they why have you not asked the socialist to be a part of HM Loyal opposition?

    2. Would you describe you party as mainly republican?
    1. Because we were ready to go in with the Liberals until the last minute which the Socialists wouldn't contemplate, and I wasn't around during the day to do last-minute negotiations with them instead as my Grandfather was dying in hospital. And also because the Socialists weren't all that enthusiastic.

    2. Not something we've discussed really, although I know there were people on both sides when there was a referendum on the matter. I am personally a republican, but we're not looking to make any policy regarding the matter in the near future.
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    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    The claim is more based on our production of legislation that is socialist in orientation, and the Socialist Party's distinctive lack of legislative output so far this term.
    What socialist legislation have you guys submitted?
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    1. Because we were ready to go in with the Liberals until the last minute which the Socialists wouldn't contemplate, and I wasn't around during the day to do last-minute negotiations with them instead as my Grandfather was dying in hospital. And also because the Socialists weren't all that enthusiastic.

    2. Not something we've discussed really, although I know there were people on both sides when there was a referendum on the matter. I am personally a republican, but we're not looking to make any policy regarding the matter in the near future.
    Thank you for the response and sorry for the loss. I see that you are very active member and manage to scrutinises the govt very well (sometimes too well)

    Nice to know as I heard that there was a referendum a while back and I just wanted to see where some of the more marginal parties stood!
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    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    The claim is more based on our production of legislation that is socialist in orientation, and the Socialist Party's distinctive lack of legislative output so far this term.
    Yes the same socialist Green party who were uneasy about the full amount of money for the BIOT bill so we had to reduce our amounts and the same party who won't commit to abolition of the tuition fees.

    As for the output that sir is fairplay I guess. Expect a few things soonish, although we've been redecorating the inner forum or at least trying :lol: so things have seemed rather inside rather than out for the house and i'm glad somebody picked up on it at least
 
 
 
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