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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Yes the same socialist Green party who were uneasy about the full amount of money for the BIOT bill so we had to reduce our amounts and the same party who won't commit to abolition of the tuition fees.

    As for the output that sir is fairplay I guess. Expect a few things soonish, although we've been redecorating the inner forum or at least trying :lol: so things have seemed rather inside rather than out for the house and i'm glad somebody picked up on it at least
    I'm only critical because i'd like a strong-left in the House, you guys don't seem to be on-side with us this term but i'm sure that will change in the coming months.
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    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    I'm only critical because i'd like a strong-left in the House, you guys don't seem to be on-side with us this term but i'm sure that will change in the coming months.
    I think thats my fault more than anything :lol: I seem to be banging heads with everybody recently and yet I don't know why :confused:

    Alas we've agreed with you a fair few things just a few things we have dithered on thats all, mainly the VONC and the by-election. I liked the mental health bill and welfare amendment and the whole BIOT scenario that we agreed upon I love you guys although I don't show it
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    I think thats my fault more than anything :lol: I seem to be banging heads with everybody recently and yet I don't know why :confused:

    Alas we've agreed with you a fair few things just a few things we have dithered on thats all, mainly the VONC and the by-election. I liked the mental health bill and welfare amendment and the whole BIOT scenario that we agreed upon I love you guys although I don't show it
    You bloody better, its mutual darling
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    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    You bloody better, its mutual darling
    Gimme some of that sweet hippy love :hippie::hubba:
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Yes the same socialist Green party who were uneasy about the full amount of money for the BIOT bill so we had to reduce our amounts and the same party who won't commit to abolition of the tuition fees.

    As for the output that sir is fairplay I guess. Expect a few things soonish, although we've been redecorating the inner forum or at least trying :lol: so things have seemed rather inside rather than out for the house and i'm glad somebody picked up on it at least
    Just as long as you've kept the music thread. Even if all the embedded youtube vids meant it took ages to load. There was some good stuff in there...
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Yes the same socialist Green party who were uneasy about the full amount of money for the BIOT bill so we had to reduce our amounts and the same party who won't commit to abolition of the tuition fees.

    As for the output that sir is fairplay I guess. Expect a few things soonish, although we've been redecorating the inner forum or at least trying :lol: so things have seemed rather inside rather than out for the house and i'm glad somebody picked up on it at least

    Just wanted to say - I would have voted Yes for the BIOT bill in its original form. Also, I would be happy with the abolition of tuition fees (and an easier way for people to financially move on to post-grad).

    Oh, and I know what it's like to be banging heads with people and not knowing why, so :hugs:.
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    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    I'm only critical because i'd like a strong-left in the House, you guys don't seem to be on-side with us this term but i'm sure that will change in the coming months.
    It's interesting to see the approach the different sides take. The core of the Socialists is very independent, you and Labour want to strengthen other parties while the Tories as far as the right goes are pretty dominant, while it's advantageous for other parties on the right to exist it is not especially advantageous for them to be strong.

    (Original post by Kittiara)
    Just wanted to say - I would have voted Yes for the BIOT bill in its original form. Also, I would be happy with the abolition of tuition fees (and an easier way for people to financially move on to post-grad).

    Oh, and I know what it's like to be banging heads with people and not knowing why, so :hugs:.
    I also support extending some kind of fee system to post grad (though not capping fees) so you'll have my full support there.
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    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    I'm only critical because i'd like a strong-left in the House, you guys don't seem to be on-side with us this term but i'm sure that will change in the coming months.
    You guys were taking us for granted with that whole VoNC ploy.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    You guys were taking us for granted with that whole VoNC ploy.
    You know very well that's not true, as all of your MPs were messaged before it happened, asking for their support. If we were taking you for granted we wouldn't have risked the whole thing being leaked to canvass for your votes. We then went ahead with it, in the full knowledge you wouldn't necessarily support it.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)

    I also support extending some kind of fee system to post grad (though not capping fees) so you'll have my full support there.
    Excellent!
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    You know very well that's not true, as all of your MPs were messaged before it happened, asking for their support. If we were taking you for granted we wouldn't have risked the whole thing being leaked to canvass for your votes. We then went ahead with it, in the full knowledge you wouldn't necessarily support it.
    Yeah... that message appeared (from all of our perspectives) as part of the ploy.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Yeah... that message appeared (from all of our perspectives) as part of the ploy.
    There was no ploy .
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    (Original post by Kittiara)
    There was no ploy .
    Well, none of us will ever know. All we can say is that is certainly looked like we were being taken for a ride - "blindly support the VoNC so that we (Labour and the Greens) can form a radical socialist government, just one thing: you guys [the actual Socialists] aren't invited, nor should you have any influence over what said government would do!"
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Well, none of us will ever know. All we can say is that is certainly looked like we were being taken for a ride - "blindly support the VoNC so that we (Labour and the Greens) can form a radical socialist government, just one thing: you guys [the actual Socialists] aren't invited, nor should you have any influence over what said government would do!"
    Nah, no way. The VoNC was never about power to me. Being in Government, being in Opposition, just being the Green Party, it's all good . I mean, I value our coalition with Labour quite highly and two parties can do more than one, but so long as we can put out bills and motions and tackle issues we feel are important, well, I'm happy. And I've not seen anyone on a crazed power trip within the Opposition.

    The VoNC was simply because the MHoC looked like a mess at that point. And the Socialists were contacted, far as I know, just to see if you were in agreement with that or not.

    I'm not in the business of messing people/parties around, playing mind-games or using dirty tactics, nor have I seen anyone in Labour or the Greens with that attitude.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Well, none of us will ever know. All we can say is that is certainly looked like we were being taken for a ride - "blindly support the VoNC so that we (Labour and the Greens) can form a radical socialist government, just one thing: you guys [the actual Socialists] aren't invited, nor should you have any influence over what said government would do!"
    Actually, you were the very first person I contacted about a possible coalition before the election results were even available. The Socialists weren't that keen on a coalition, you wanted to concentrate a lot on your own stuff for this term and you were reluctant to work with Labour again. If you had a change of heart and wanted to join the Opposition, I was always no more than a message away and I personally would have been happy for you to do so. And I never once said you shouldn't have any influence, but considering that it seemed you didn't want to be part of the coalition and you hadn't proposed anything it very much looked like you wanted to do your own thing rather than influence us. All of this is fine, but to then say that we were taking you for a ride because you weren't invited to a coalition both you and the new C1 said you'd rather not be a part of when you were actually asked is beyond ridiculous.
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    (Original post by Kittiara)
    Nah, no way. The VoNC was never about power to me. Being in Government, being in Opposition, just being the Green Party, it's all good . I mean, I value our coalition with Labour quite highly and two parties can do more than one, but so long as we can put out bills and motions and tackle issues we feel are important, well, I'm happy. And I've not seen anyone on a crazed power trip within the Opposition.

    The VoNC was simply because the MHoC looked like a mess at that point. And the Socialists were contacted, far as I know, just to see if you were in agreement with that or not.

    I'm not in the business of messing people/parties around, playing mind-games or using dirty tactics, nor have I seen anyone in Labour or the Greens with that attitude.
    Maybe the motivation driving the leaderships of the coalition parties was not shared by the ordinary membership. The Socialist system of 'no leaders, no hierarchy' make things so much more transparent.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Maybe the motivation driving the leaderships of the coalition parties was not shared by the ordinary membership. The Socialist system of 'no leaders, no hierarchy' make things so much more transparent.
    I'm Deputy Leader of the Green Party, so if there were any such a plot, I would have known. Plus, the Greens are a consensus-based party - we put everything to the vote.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    Actually, you were the very first person I contacted about a possible coalition before the election results were even available. The Socialists weren't that keen on a coalition, you wanted to concentrate a lot on your own stuff for this term and you were reluctant to work with Labour again. If you had a change of heart and wanted to join the Opposition, I was always no more than a message away and I personally would have been happy for you to do so. And I never once said you shouldn't have any influence, but considering that it seemed you didn't want to be part of the coalition and you hadn't proposed anything it very much looked like you wanted to do your own thing rather than influence us. All of this is fine, but to then say that we were taking you for a ride because you weren't invited to a coalition both you and the new C1 said you'd rather not be a part of when you were actually asked is beyond ridiculous.
    Here's the main part of the message you mentioned: "We're not interested if there's not going to be a clear offer of specific policies. Nor are we terribly keen on repeating last time: it seems that we end up writing all of the decent bills, and then having the credit taken for them. [...] So if you feel like making us an offer then we'll consider it, but we ourselves won't be actively pursuing government in the same way as we have previously." I don't know how I could have been clearer with that. And the part that really stood out during the VoNC was when you denied our request to see your policy programme. Had we supported you in the vote, you'd have become the government - it wasn't unreasonable for us to ask you guys to tell us what we'd be voting for. Finally, us being unwilling to make offers never did equate to us being unwilling to consider those sent to us from other parties.

    (Original post by Kittiara)
    I'm Deputy Leader of the Green Party, so if there were any such a plot, I would have known. Plus, the Greens are a consensus-based party - we put everything to the vote.
    I thought CM was the only person in the leadership during the VoNC?
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Maybe the motivation driving the leaderships of the coalition parties was not shared by the ordinary membership. The Socialist system of 'no leaders, no hierarchy' make things so much more transparent.
    You've worked very closely with both me and Cheese_Monster in the past. Do you really think this was some mad power trip to scam the Socialists into supporting a Government that would then ignore Socialist ideas? Seriously?
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    You've worked very closely with both me and Cheese_Monster in the past. Do you really think this was some mad power trip to scam the Socialists into supporting a Government that would then ignore Socialist ideas? Seriously?
    What I know is that CM was, two terms ago, not keen on working with us in coalition, and you, back when in the Greens, were openly hostile for quite a while (the last by-election comes to mind). Attitudes change all the time.
 
 
 
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