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(Original post by EdwardCurrent)
Firstly, you are the one who is defending a system which exists only because people are forced to pay for it. You would happily put people in prison for disagreeing with you and you would happily have violence used on your behalf against people who refused to go to prison. You have absolutely no moral authority here, so stop pretending you do.

Secondly, you have invented the falacy that if the NHS didn't exist a bunch of people would die. That's quite a leap. You are the one defending systematic violence, you prove it.
And so you should be forced to pay for it, you pay for pretty much everything, schools, roads, transport this list goes on, you have money and so therefore should contribute it to society, your lucky you live in England you know so many people from other countries would love to have a national health service like ours. Yes it does save lives how can it not? If we didn't have the NHS and people could not afford healthcare they either die or go bankrupt that is a fact, watch sicko it will open your eyes, so many people struggle to pay for treatment of diseases in America that they can't afford and either die because of it or go bankrupt it is disgusting and so yes you should be forced to pay that small amount to help poorer people recieve care that they need. You have money and some of it should be used to help the less well off.
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(Original post by Jordenfruitbat)
And so you should be forced to pay for it, you pay for pretty much everything, schools, roads, transport this list goes on, you have money and so therefore should contribute it to society, your lucky you live in England you know so many people from other countries would love to have a national health service like ours. Yes it does save lives how can it not? If we didn't have the NHS and people could not afford healthcare they either die or go bankrupt that is a fact, watch sicko it will open your eyes, so many people struggle to pay for treatment of diseases in America that they can't afford and either die because of it or go bankrupt it is disgusting and so yes you should be forced to pay that small amount to help poorer people recieve care that they need. You have money and some of it should be used to help the less well off.
You are advocating violence against another person for having a different set of convictions.

You pull the gun, so we're done. I'm not going to pretend there is a reasonable discussion to be had here.
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(Original post by EdwardCurrent)
It may be that your convictions are held so weakly or else built on such unsound foundations that they might change due to circumstance, but do not assume that everybody is the same. If I contract cancer I would no more look to violence to cure me than I would religion.
ahaha, you are talking utter **** now. so you'd quite happily lay down and die if you couldn't afford treatment, rather than inflict so-called violence on others by having access to "socialised" medical help? please!
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(Original post by EdwardCurrent)
You are advocating violence against another person for having a different set of convictions.

You pull the gun, so we're done. I'm not going to pretend there is a reasonable discussion to be had here.
There doesn't need to be any so called violence I am not advocating violence either but if you evade taxes yes you should be punished a forceable fine or imprisonment thats how society works I am afraid. I work in healthcare and there are many people who are really grateful that they did not have to pay up as soon as they became ill. You really are full of rubbish.
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(Original post by Jordenfruitbat)
There doesn't need to be any violence I am not advocating violence either but if you evade taxes yes you should be punished a forceable fine or imprisonment thats how society works I am afraid.
You are advocating violence.

If I decide I don't want to give you my money because I think it can be spent more effectively, you are demanding I am sent to prison. If I defend myself against your demands, you would persist until I was either in prison or dead.

Sorry, but that is not a moral point of view.
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(Original post by EdwardCurrent)
You are advocating violence.

If I decide I don't want to give you my money because I think it can be spent more effectively, you are demanding I am sent to prison. If I defend myself against your demands, you would persist until I was either in prison or dead.

Sorry, but that is not a moral point of view.
You really are stupid, when did I mention death lol? If you refuse to pay tax you go to prison yes, where else would you spend this small sum, you end up paying towards the NHS? No where really useful something for your own personal gain most likely, it's better to go towards the NHS and you should be made to pay it and if not punished. I don't condone capital punishment and no where in my posts did I say that. Get some sense.
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(Original post by EdwardCurrent)
It may be that your convictions are held so weakly or else built on such unsound foundations that they might change due to circumstance, but do not assume that everybody is the same. If I contract cancer I would no more look to violence to cure me than I would religion.
What is it with you and claiming that every supporter of the NHS is a violent incarcerator? The NHS was not formed by thugs holding guns to the heads of rich people. It was implemented by a democratically elected government who acted on the wishes of the electorate. 63 years on, it is still supported by the conservative government - not just violent far-left extremists.

Anyway, regarding your "convictions", it's nice to know that you wouldn't appreciate the NHS if a loved one became ill. Perhaps if you plan to get married or have children, you should probably let your future partner know that if you're not rich then you'll happily let them die rather than see them treated by the NHS

you have invented the falacy that if the NHS didn't exist a bunch of people would die. That's quite a leap. You are the one defending systematic violence, you prove it.
What kind of proof are you looking for here? It's a fairly straightforward logical conclusion to make isn't it? There are many different diseases and conditions which are fatal if untreated, but curable or manageable with proper medical care. Anyone suffering from any of those conditions who is unable to pay for private treatment would die if there weren't an alternative healthcare system that treated them based on their clinical need rather than ability to pay
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What is it with you and claiming that every supporter of the NHS is a violent incarcerator? The NHS was not formed by thugs holding guns to the heads of rich people. It was implemented by a democratically elected government who acted on the wishes of the electorate. 63 years on, it is still supported by the conservative government - not just violent far-left extremists.

Anyway, regarding your "convictions", it's nice to know that you wouldn't appreciate the NHS if a loved one became ill. Perhaps if you plan to get married or have children, you should probably let your future partner know that if you're not rich then you'll happily let them die rather than see them treated by the NHS



What kind of proof are you looking for here? It's a fairly straightforward logical conclusion to make isn't it? There are many different diseases and conditions which are fatal if untreated, but curable or manageable with proper medical care. Anyone suffering from any of those conditions who is unable to pay for private treatment would die if there weren't an alternative healthcare system that treated them based on their clinical need rather than ability to pay
QFT thanks you have said that a bit better than I did I think
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(Original post by Jordenfruitbat)
You really are stupid, when did I mention death lol? If you refuse to pay tax you go to prison yes, where else would you spend this small sum, you end up paying towards the NHS? No where really useful something for your own personal gain most likely, it's better to go towards the NHS and you should be made to pay it and if not punished. I don't condone capital punishment and no where in my posts did I say that. Get some sense.
How on earth can you justify sending me to prison because I don't agree with your own particular convictions? I have not harmed anyone and I have not caused loss to any other person or their property, I have merely used my hard-earnt money in a way I think is more productive.

If I defended myself against going to prison then you would persist with violence against me until I was in prison or dead. That is how it works. The police do not grant random reprieves for no reason.

Very nasty person indeed.
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(Original post by EdwardCurrent)
How on earth can you justify sending me to prison because I don't agree with your own particular convictions? I have not harmed anyone and I have not caused loss to any other person or their property, I have merely used my hard-earnt money in a way I think is more productive.

If I defended myself against going to prison then you would persist with violence against me until I was in prison or dead. That is how it works. The police do not grant random reprieves for no reason.

Very nasty person indeed.
Your the nasty person here, if you don't like a system based on taxation move countries, you are paying a miniscule amount so what is your problem!? Tell me what you would use your left over money for....? It is not how it works you would not be killed you would go to prison if you evade taxes its a criminal offence and you go to jail, you might think you could spend your extra 20 quid or whatever on something more useful, but really on the whole it's only going to go to waste as your selfish.
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What is it with you and claiming that every supporter of the NHS is a violent incarcerator? The NHS was not formed by thugs holding guns to the heads of rich people. It was implemented by a democratically elected government who acted on the wishes of the electorate. 63 years on, it is still supported by the conservative government - not just violent far-left extremists.
How can I be bound by something I have never been asked about and have never contracted on? Further, something I disagree with because I think better solutions exist. Does that strike you as ethical?
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You haven't truly failed until you stop trying.

Starting your own business doesn't mean quitting the one you currently have, if you put all your eggs in one basket (risk everything) and fail, it's your own fault and deserve all you get.
Put all eggs in one basket? Do you realize that people sometimes have limited resources and they barely scrape for enough eggs to put in one basket? Or, in real life terms, they take out a loan, business fails, they are screwed
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Your the nasty person here, if you don't like a system based on taxation move countries, you are paying a miniscule amount so what is your problem!? Tell me what you would use your left over money for....? It is not how it works you would not be killed you would go to prison if you evade taxes its a criminal offence and you go to jail, you might think you could spend your extra 20 quid or whatever on something more useful, but really on the whole it's only going to go to waste as your selfish.
Firstly, it's a lot more than £20. What I would do with it has no effect on the ethical argument, but I'd probably give it to one of several charities I currently support.
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Firstly, it's a lot more than £20. What I would do with it has no effect on the ethical argument, but I'd probably give it to one of several charities I currently support.
Depends on how much you earn, and you obviously earn a lot so your not losing much, the money is still doing something good and going directly to help people even though the NHS is not a charity it's helping people on a large scale, if your such a charitable person you wouldn't care that your money was being taxed to support our health care system.
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I think his point was everyone dies eventually.
Precisely.

(Original post by Chwirkytheappleboy)
That's quite a claim to make. I would not be surprised at all if being diagnosed with cancer caused you to reassess your position. Even if you don't value your own life, what about those you love? Say you got married and your wife or your child was diagnosed with cancer but you weren't able to afford private treatment... would you still have the same attitude?
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Of course we do but that doesn't mean it's fair for people to die when they can potentially live for many years to come, what about children who have only just started their lives and are given a death sentence because their parents can't afford their healthcare?
It still does not justify theft.

People die, get over it.
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Precisely.





It still does not justify theft.

People die, get over it.
It's not theft lol you earn money you get taxed on it, its a simple concept. Are you against any type of taxation ever? Are you not happy your money goes towards schooling and public transport etc etc? Well I am afraid that's how things work move if you don't like it. Of course people die but its not acceptable for them to die because they have no money.
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I am considering getting private health insurance, but no longer wish to contribute to the NHS as it is the worst healthcare system in Western Europe. I do not see it as my responsibility to pay for other peoples' healthcare, when I am more than willing to pay for my own.

Is there any way I can stop the British public stealing my money to pay for their healthcare?

Edit: I might have known that the extreme far left would have taken a disliking to my post.
You obviously just wanted a rant at socialism and having to pay for the NHS. You knew damn well you couldn't "opt out" of paying for the NHS from your replies to people saying what a **** you are. So just go rant somewhere.
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It's not theft lol you earn money you get taxed on it, its a simple concept. Are you against any type of taxation ever? Are you not happy your money goes towards schooling and public transport etc etc? Well I am afraid that's how things work move if you don't like it.
New arrival?

I suggest you go back and read over the discussion.
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New arrival?

I suggest you go back and read over the discussion.
I suggest you get some common sense lol, taxes are not a form of theft gtfo this country if you dislike it shoo.
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It's not theft lol you earn money you get taxed on it, its a simple concept. Are you against any type of taxation ever? Are you not happy your money goes towards schooling and public transport etc etc? Well I am afraid that's how things work move if you don't like it. Of course people die but its not acceptable for them to die because they have no money.
" I dont care if everyone drops dead, gimme back my money :fuhrer:"
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