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    All these vehicles are starting to irritate me now.
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    I am getting so sick of Moffat and Matt. Really didn't click with this episode- again! I do love Jenna though.

    I didn't love Mary Galell (is that spelt right?) - I adore little children but this one just irritated me and so the whole point of the story didn't grab me. The Doctor giving up his memories and emotions terrified me and I still don't quite get how he got them back again...? Plus why on earth would a leaf (even such an awesome leaf) beat the Doctor's life and all the myriad possibilities inherent there - not saving worlds, not meeting companions, not winning battles etc etc. I also thought the fact that Clara adapted so fast to the alien world and was then randomly abandoned by the Doctor was a little unbelievable - thinking back to the first travelling Rose/ Donna episodes where he showed the companion around.

    I've been re-watching episodes from the Tennant and RTD era and I really miss that heart-felt, straight-forward (not simple, just actually sensible) rich storytelling.
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    Just watched the episode and my impression - the Doctor has gotten to like to ride on something else into his 'battle' nowadays, hasn't he? - And is there something about Clara saying 'I guess the box really doesn't like me.'
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    (Original post by Mafer)
    Just watched the episode and my impression - the Doctor has gotten to like to ride on something else into his 'battle' nowadays, hasn't he? - And is there something about Clara saying 'I guess the box really doesn't like me.'
    There must be. She didn't have a key so it wouldn't have let her in anyway, but it's Moffat, so there'll be some significance...
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    I didn't mind the episode too much - although I did wonder why the Doctor decided to go for the moped instead of an indestructible tardis which could travel through time and space.

    One thing which has bugged me is in the speech:

    I walked in universes where the laws of physics were devised by the mind of a mad man.
    Who is the mad man to whom he is referring? This must be pre-Eccleston, since I don't remember any crazy godlike being manipulating the laws of physics during the modern series... unless I've missed something massive.

    Could anyone answer?
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    (Original post by Kagutsuchi)
    I didn't mind the episode too much - although I did wonder why the Doctor decided to go for the moped instead of an indestructible tardis which could travel through time and space.

    One thing which has bugged me is in the speech:



    Who is the mad man to whom he is referring? This must be pre-Eccleston, since I don't remember any crazy godlike being manipulating the laws of physics during the modern series... unless I've missed something massive.

    Could anyone answer?
    Going to pay for a moped and not using the TARDIS was completely moronic especially as it has been shown that the TARDIS can just materialise around things.
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    I personally think that series 5 is the best so far probably because 10 really started to annoy me when he was whining about not wanting to die. Anyway, after series 5 I had high hopes for series 6 and I can honestly say that they were the worst set of Doctor Who episodes I had ever seen thus I stopped watching all together until 'The Bells of Saint John' a couple of weeks ago. The reason I've started watching again is to prepare for the 50th anniversary show which I hope will be the episode ever.
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    The question is however, will Tennant be playing the half-human doctor or the actual 10th doctor? Apparently there has been sightings on set of 10s TARDIS but it doesn't really confirm anything (watch the Journeys End deleted scene).



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    (Original post by Kagutsuchi)
    I didn't mind the episode too much - although I did wonder why the Doctor decided to go for the moped instead of an indestructible tardis which could travel through time and space.

    One thing which has bugged me is in the speech:



    Who is the mad man to whom he is referring? This must be pre-Eccleston, since I don't remember any crazy godlike being manipulating the laws of physics during the modern series... unless I've missed something massive.

    Could anyone answer?
    The doctors a mad man - a mad man with a box. He referred to himself as a mad man on the eleventh hour. hmm :hmmm:.
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    (Original post by brittanna)
    The doctors a mad man - a mad man with a box. He referred to himself as a mad man on the eleventh hour. hmm :hmmm:.
    I assumed it was Omega, during the time of the third Doctor.
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    (Original post by The Batman)
    I personally think that series 5 is the best so far probably because 10 really started to annoy me when he was whining about not wanting to die. Anyway, after series 5 I had high hopes for series 6 and I can honestly say that they were the worst set of Doctor Who episodes I had ever seen thus I stopped watching all together until 'The Bells of Saint John' a couple of weeks ago. The reason I've started watching again is to prepare for the 50th anniversary show which I hope will be the episode ever.
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    The question is however, will Tennant be playing the half-human doctor or the actual 10th doctor? Apparently there has been sightings on set of 10s TARDIS but it doesn't really confirm anything (watch the Journeys End deleted scene).



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    50th anniversary spoiler
    I really hope it is the Human Doctor and Rose, because that makes far more canon sense. Then again, I don't want Moffaty era mystical-strange-complexity near my erstwhile OTP with a bargepole.
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    (Original post by Kings0)
    My major bugbear is the fact that the Doctor had to translate everything - what the hell happened to the TARDIS translation matrix? The one that gets inside your head the moment you step inside? And that's without even getting started that they blew up a sun; what the hell is going to happen to the people that live on those 7 planets?
    Stefan Moffat wrote the Empty Child for God's sake, so he definitely CAN write... Jesus, Moffat, get it together. (I know this wasn't his, but he's head writer, it's his lookout)

    I don't mind Oswin (I'm not crazy for her either), but I'd like this version of her to get killed off as well, just to spice things up. Then the Doctor can go back to having someone ordinary as his companion... It always feels better that way

    Gotta love Matt Smith though
    ^^ Agreed. I thought this episode started promisingly - it was nice to see an actual "space setting" for once - but didn't really go anywhere; the resolution/ big speech moment feels like it's been done way too much now. There were also too many moments which just didn't make sense - Clara inability to understand the moped renter being on o them. Oh, and did none of the spectators find it weird that the Doctor and Clara suddenly gatecrashed the ceremony?

    I do like Moffat - the majority of my favouriet episodes from the RTD era having been written by him - but feel since he's taken over he's just tried to be too clever with big story arcs that just get boring after a while.

    When we were first introduced to Clara in the Asylum of the Daleks I was looking forward to her being properly introduced; I was less enamoured with her Victorian counterpart but thought it would be interesting to see a companion not from the present day. The third incarnation we've seen has potential but it's not really been developed yet - at the moment, she just feels like a manifestation of the some of the previous ones.
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    Urgh, the last episode was awful. Writing has gone downhill since Tenant and Piper were around.
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    (Original post by Mess.)
    Going to pay for a moped and not using the TARDIS was completely moronic especially as it has been shown that the TARDIS can just materialise around things.
    Precisely. Not having time to reach the Tardis isn't an excuse either, seen as the Tardis could travel through time and space to catch the girl. Seems like a cop out plot short cut.

    (Original post by brittanna)
    The doctors a mad man - a mad man with a box. He referred to himself as a mad man on the eleventh hour. hmm :hmmm:.
    But the doctor never - to my knowledge - manipulated the laws of physics... Did he?
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    (Original post by Kagutsuchi)
    Precisely. Not having time to reach the Tardis isn't an excuse either, seen as the Tardis could travel through time and space to catch the girl. Seems like a cop out plot short cut.



    But the doctor never - to my knowledge - manipulated the laws of physics... Did he?
    I'm sure it was said in an episode that once the Doctor has become involved in the timeline, he can't just skip into the TARDIS and go backwards/forwards in time.

    Also, I remember an episode, I think for one of the early Doctors, where there was a place called Toyland which was run by the Toymaker, and he could change anything and everything in that land. He was quite a crazy son of a gun, so perhaps that's the madman mentioned.
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    (Original post by Mess.)
    I thought the exact same thing with the translation. Ridiculous.
    I thought that it was a bit racist that the only people who Clara understood was the species who looked a bit human-ey.
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    (Original post by rainbow drops)
    My problems with the Matt Smith era aren't really to do with individual episodes being bad; they're bigger issues that tend to negatively affect every single episode. The writing and characterisation are the most glaring problems.

    I think the dialogue is forced and awkward (I'm talking about all the ridiculously irritating in-jokes, banter and ~super quirky witty cutesy phrases~) and that's consistent in every single episode. It's so prevalent that it damages my perceptions of the characters. I could never bring myself to care about Rory and Amy because their dialogue was so cartoonish and convoluted that it made them seem less 'real' compared to more believable companions like Rose and Martha. River is the most extreme example of this; she's like a walking, talking, cliched phrasebook. It's SO irritating to watch. I know Doctor Who is fantastical as a concept but it definitely doesn't mean that the characters' personalities have to be, and the show suffers massively as a result, in my opinion.

    I also really dislike the way in which Moffat writes women, which tends to be a very common complaint that reviewers etc have about this era of the show. I was hoping he would change his predictable writing up a bit and make Clara less of a quirky, excitable, flirtsy, mysterious Doctor groupie, but she seems exactly like Amy so far in that respect, which is really disappointing. Female companions do not have to be that way. People loved Donna so much precisely because she wasn't, IMO. I know River isn't a companion, but she's written terribly, and is easily the most irritating character I've ever seen on a TV show.

    So yeah, if my issues were more to do with plot, I'd probably carry on watching, because it's always been the case that some Doctor Who storylines/monsters/etc are weaker than others. I think the plots have definitely been weaker of late, but it's the general tone that's my biggest issue, and because it's so present in every single episode, I don't like the show any more. I've given it so many chances, but I simply don't like it. I feel pretty sad and frustrated about it because I used to love it, but it's obvious that Moffat won't change his direction any time soon, so never mind!

    Thanks for your post you raised some interesting points.
    I feel exactly the same way for everything you've written. Also, the Doctor's too childish (and child-friendly), whereas for Tennant's Doctor, him for being child-friendly was subtle and you could tell without it being shoved in your face every 3 minutes.
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    I'm certain the madman was Omega now- in the episode "the three doctors" all 3 of the first 3 doctors had to battle Omega, a legendary time-lord who'd got trapped in an anti-matter universe and gone mad. They had to go into that universe, which Omega (the mad man) was able to manipulate.
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    "Actually, I think I may have made a bit of a tactical boo boo." I've never screamed with laughter before. I just came very close.

    With regards to the episode in general, I think Matt Smith really shone although the storyline was a bit nondescript. His best episode for a while in terms of acting I think (and I usually think he's pretty damned good). That scene, with the three of them, just after 'grandfather' awoke was just brilliant. Jenna was good - I'm going to like her, I think - but she needs a bit of time to settle into the role. There was something missing, although I'm not sure what.

    Also, note: "my stars" appeared quite a lot. Obviously Clara is meant to have picked it up from her mother but I'm wondering whether there's any significance...
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    Really disappointed in the latest episode. The story didn't really make any sense and was poorly explained. The Doctor seems to only ever use either his sonic screwdriver, or his own importance, to solve problems nowadays. I fondly remember episodes where Ten would spend most of the time working on fixing some complicated technical machine, rather than just one burst with the sonic fixing everything. And the speech in this episode was even more overdramatic and cheesy than usual.

    Oh and one more thing: the leaf in this episode was not the same leaf as was in Clara's book last week.
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    Basic continuity really shouldn't be a difficult thing to achieve. It seems to be yet another sign of a worsening show.
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    (Original post by Watch Key Phone)
    Really disappointed in the latest episode. The story didn't really make any sense and was poorly explained. The Doctor seems to only ever use either his sonic screwdriver, or his own importance, to solve problems nowadays. I fondly remember episodes where Ten would spend most of the time working on fixing some complicated technical machine, rather than just one burst with the sonic fixing everything. And the speech in this episode was even more overdramatic and cheesy than usual.

    Oh and one more thing: the leaf in this episode was not the same leaf as was in Clara's book last week.
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    Basic continuity really shouldn't be a difficult thing to achieve. It seems to be yet another sign of a worsening show.
    Who says the two leaves were meant to be the same? I can never accuse the directors/producers/whoever of being imprecise.
 
 
 
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