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    (Original post by UniOfLife)
    If it's the latter (as a means of justifying progressive taxation) then the corollary should also hold that all other laws should depend on the "sacrifice" or "impact" which would include prison sentences.
    Are you mad?! Are you seriously saying that because the wealth of someone is taken into account when they are taxed that the same should hold for every criteria, including prison sentences? How can you justify this insane point of view apart from some tripe about "equality before law".
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    (Original post by ukebert)
    Are you mad?! Are you seriously saying that because the wealth of someone is taken into account when they are taxed that the same should hold for every criteria, including prison sentences? How can you justify this insane point of view apart from some tripe about "equality before law".
    I'm saying that if the justification for charging one person a higher rate of tax is to equalise the "impact" of the tax then by the same logic one should want to equalise the "impact" of a prison sentence or other form of punishment which should then take into account the person's usual lifestyle.
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    (Original post by UniOfLife)
    I'm saying that if the justification for charging one person a higher rate of tax is to equalise the "impact" of the tax then by the same logic one should want to equalise the "impact" of a prison sentence or other form of punishment which should then take into account the person's usual lifestyle.
    Unless... :O everyones lifestyle is equall :-o:-o:-o
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    Unless... :O everyones lifestyle is equall :-o:-o:-o
    Which of course it isn't.
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    (Original post by UniOfLife)
    Which of course it isn't.
    I strongly think it is. Can you give an example as to why it isn't?
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    I strongly think it is. Can you give an example as to why it isn't?

    1. An unemployed person, sitting around doing nothing much and earning JSA living in a council house.

    2. A Doctor, working 48+ hours a week, living in a 6 bed house with a wife and 3 kids, going on holiday 4,5,6 times a year.

    Need I elaborate on the lifestyle differences?

    Or does the leader of the TSR lib dems seriously think that someone who has just lost their job has the same lifestyle as a well paid businessman?
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    (Original post by Indievertigo)
    1. An unemployed person, sitting around doing nothing much and earning JSA living in a council house.

    2. A Doctor, working 48+ hours a week, living in a 6 bed house with a wife and 3 kids, going on holiday 4,5,6 times a year.

    Need I elaborate on the lifestyle differences?

    Or does the leader of the TSR lib dems seriously think that someone who has just lost their job has the same lifestyle as a well paid businessman?
    They are different lifestyles, but equal, so long as the person on jsa has good reason to be on it.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    I strongly think it is. Can you give an example as to why it isn't?
    Missed this post. I assumed you were joking earlier. :eek:
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    They are different lifestyles, but equal.
    They are different but equal?

    That sounds like an oxymoron, much like the Labour Party’s disgustingly discriminatory so called ‘Equality Bill’.

    All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    They are different lifestyles, but equal, so long as the person on jsa has good reason to be on it.
    So you're honestly saying that a week in prison has the same impact on a homeless man with no family as on a man with a mansion and five kids, just as a simple example?

    I genuinely thought you were joking before...
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    They are different lifestyles, but equal, so long as the person on jsa has good reason to be on it.

    OK, so what would you say is good reason to be on JSA?

    And secondly can you clarify what you mean by different but equal? What are the boundaries for this "different but equal" rule - is a family in Africa living on food aid different but equal to the family in the UK earning £100k?
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    (Original post by Anony mouse)
    They are different but equal?

    That sounds like an oxymoron, much like the Labour Party’s disgustingly discriminatory so called ‘Equality Bill’.

    All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
    I dont think its an oxymoron. Everyone is treated differently in certain situations. My example of this is islamic looking people being stop searched after an islamic terrorist attack. But as long as they are treated equaly, thus white people would be stop searched more if there was a christian extreamist attack and as long as these arrests comply to the same standards and regulations of ordinary arrests then they are being treated differantly, but equaly.
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    (Original post by UniOfLife)
    So you're honestly saying that a week in prison has the same impact on a homeless man with no family as on a man with a mansion and five kids, just as a simple example?

    I genuinely thought you were joking before...
    I think it can afect them the same yes.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    I think it can afect them the same yes.
    Then could you please do everyone a favour and include the following caveat in your manifesto:

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    Please Note: The Leader of this Party believes that a prison sentence affects all people the same regardless of their personal situations. This includes affecting a homeless person with no family the same as a rich person with five children.


    or if you want to save space:

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    Please Note: The Leader of this Party does not live in the same reality as you.
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    (Original post by Anony mouse)
    Let us imagine a one-world government in which every country came under the same jurisdiction.

    Now, if ‘rich’ people should be forced to give up more of their excess wealth for the sake of ‘poor’ people, I suppose you would agree that we should all be forced donate our excess money to Africa where the vast majority are even ‘poorer’ than us.
    **** YES!!!!!
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    I dont think its an oxymoron. Everyone is treated differently in certain situations. My example of this is islamic looking people being stop searched after an islamic terrorist attack. But as long as they are treated equaly, thus white people would be stop searched more if there was a christian extreamist attack and as long as these arrests comply to the same standards and regulations of ordinary arrests then they are being treated differantly, but equaly.
    Ah, but are they treated equally before the law?

    White people commit a lot more crime than any other group in England. However it's the ethnic minorities that are discriminated against before the police as by proportion to population size are stopped and searched MORE than white people. Not just muslims, but black people too. How on earth is this equal before the law?!

    It's like you walked forward one step and fell down a waterfall
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    They are different lifestyles, but equal, so long as the person on jsa has good reason to be on it.
    How are they equal?

    Define an equal lifestyle, I doubt you could for it would take you to be very subjective and there's no truth or social fact in that.

    -Note: Sorry for hi-jacking labour thread, but he's just digging a pit.
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    (Original post by Podgeykins)
    Ah, but are they treated equally before the law?

    White people commit a lot more crime than any other group in England. However it's the ethnic minorities that are discriminated against before the police as by proportion to population size are stopped and searched MORE than white people. Not just muslims, but black people too. How on earth is this equal before the law?!

    It's like you walked forward one step and fell down a waterfall
    Yes. And we must do everything we can to stop racism in the force and elswere.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    Yes. And we must do everything we can to stop racism in the force and elswere.
    Like?
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    (Original post by Podgeykins)
    How are they equal?

    Define an equal lifestyle, I doubt you could for it would take you to be very subjective and there's no truth or social fact in that.

    -Note: Sorry for hi-jacking labour thread, but he's just digging a pit.
    You made my point. Nobody can be defined equal by one person. They are of equal worth. A person is a human and all humans are worth the same.
 
 
 
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