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    (Original post by The Free Radical)
    Within 100 years.
    Might do, might not. People were prophesying in 1870 that Britain would be a republic in 1970. I'll take the easy money, myself, especially given the monarchy's popularity has grown since the 1970s. The world doesn't move according some arbitrary calendar of social change.
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    No need.

    It's only a matter of time before one of them turns out to be a paedophile and the general public burns down Buckingham Palace as a result.


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    This is a pointless argument. It's an argument for champagne socialists.
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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    Im anti monarchy and I will never change you still havent answered who paod for the crown estate
    Who paid for the crown estate? The question in return is "which bit", but large swathes are from all the way back in the 11th Century with the Norman right to conquest and was used to fund state spending until after the Glorious Revolution, at which point the parliament kept the vast majority of temporary revenues and relived the monarch of responsibility for the armed forces, and then with George III the remaining temporary revenues along with the hereditary revenues were then given to the parliament, along with responsibility of payment for the civil government and all remaining debts, among other things, and with the civil list being implemented to cover expenses. This AGREEMENT has been renewed by all monarchs since, although they don't have to.

    But hey, that will all be ignored, after all, that's your style.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Who paid for the crown estate? The question in return is "which bit", but large swathes are from all the way back in the 11th Century with the Norman right to conquest and was used to fund state spending until after the Glorious Revolution, at which point the parliament kept the vast majority of temporary revenues and relived the monarch of responsibility for the armed forces, and then with George III the remaining temporary revenues along with the hereditary revenues were then given to the parliament, along with responsibility of payment for the civil government and all remaining debts, among other things, and with the civil list being implemented to cover expenses. This AGREEMENT has been renewed by all monarchs since, although they don't have to.

    But hey, that will all be ignored, after all, that's your style.
    Still use the crown estate and get rid of the monarchy you only like them because they are like the rest of tory voters posh boys or posh girls who are members of the bullingdon club, all you seem to care about is money. When the millions we send the royals which they do not need can be spent better elsewhere. The Queen has £330M why does she need £150M of public money for the upgrading of the palace. Ignored thats my style? I couldn't care the only party who aint anti monarchy are the tories.
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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    Still use the crown estate and get rid of the monarchy you only like them because they are like the rest of tory voters posh boys or posh girls who are members of the bullingdon club,
    I am not a Conservative whatsoever, so please don't bother pigeonholing. The monarchy enjoys widespread political support.

    all you seem to care about is money. When the millions we send the royals which they do not need can be spent better elsewhere.
    Actually, it seems like you are obsessed with money, and making baseless, made-up assertions about magically saving it by simply willing it to be cheaper, somehow.

    The Queen has £330M why does she need £150M of public money for the upgrading of the palace. Ignored thats my style?
    Why does she need it? Because it's a public responsibility to pay for it. Why does the PM not have to pay for upkeeping Downing Street, genius?

    I couldn't care the only party who aint anti monarchy are the tories.
    Uh, right...where in the Lib Dem or Labour manifestoes do they say anything about a republic?

    You are the only one here who sees this in some kind of Torie-tinted prism.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    I am not a Conservative whatsoever, so please don't bother pigeonholing. The monarchy enjoys widespread political support.



    Actually, it seems like you are obsessed with money, and making baseless, made-up assertions about magically saving it by simply willing it to be cheaper, somehow.



    Why does she need it? Because it's a public responsibility to pay for it. Why does the PM not have to pay for upkeeping Downing Street, genius?



    Uh, right...where in the Lib Dem or Labour manifestoes do they say anything about a republic?

    You are the only one here who sees this in some kind of Torie-tinted prism.
    If it was not such an evonmic gain they would be gone by now Harry is the only one of them to have a proper job.
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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    If it was not such an evonmic gain they would be gone by now Harry is the only one of them to have a proper job.
    So, have you read up anything at all about the President of Germany? What do they do that the Queen does not?

    Wikipedia is right there, you know
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    No need to bump a dead thread especially one where people can't accept facts and just repeat their beliefs backed with nothing


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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    Still use the crown estate and get rid of the monarchy you only like them because they are like the rest of tory voters posh boys or posh girls who are members of the bullingdon club, all you seem to care about is money. When the millions we send the royals which they do not need can be spent better elsewhere. The Queen has £330M why does she need £150M of public money for the upgrading of the palace. Ignored thats my style? I couldn't care the only party who aint anti monarchy are the tories.
    As long as this thread is active again, I'd like to point out that monarchs can't be Bullingdon Club members because that's an Oxford thing and royals generally studies at Queen Mary's in Scotland, like William & Kate.


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    (Original post by DarrenBCFC)
    If it was not such an evonmic gain they would be gone by now Harry is the only one of them to have a proper job.
    So being an air annulled ambulance pilot isn't a real job, but dressing up as a Nazi is?

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    I'm not a British citizen and so I don't have the right to take any side but here are a few points I thought you guys should consider.
    Being a part of a complete democratic nation is not as fun and free as it may appear. The reason the UK government is one of the most stable ones in the world is because of the constant backing of the monarchy. It prevents the form of governance converting from democracy to dictatorship under the guise of democracy. The very fact that you guys can freely express your opinions about your government and not get arrested for it while someone doing the same in a completely democratic nation might, speaks volumes.
    Also, the members of the royal family support soooo many different charities and causes. These may not affect you directly, but it could be making a huge difference in the life of a fellow countryman.


    P.S. Did you guys hear about the letter an American wrote to HM The Queen asking her to take control of the US? :P
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    absolutely. the monarchy do nothing for our country and are just another example of the sheer capitalism that still exists. Millions of people are without homes, have very little money or are on benefits. If royal artefacts and suchlike were made public property it would boost the economy significantly. The royal family are just a waste of time and should be irrelevant in today's society as they contribute absolutely nothing to it
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    (Original post by siobhan_xo)
    absolutely. the monarchy do nothing for our country and are just another example of the sheer capitalism that still exists. Millions of people are without homes, have very little money or are on benefits. If royal artefacts and suchlike were made public property it would boost the economy significantly. The royal family are just a waste of time and should be irrelevant in today's society as they contribute absolutely nothing to it
    "i'm the average labour voter who has had no education in economics and I think they are bad"

    The monarchy makes this country billions upon billions more in both tax and money that flows down to the people than we spend on them, they're basically both advertising and a tourist attraction. Think properly. It's like those kids who think we should leave the EU because we "lose" all this money that we get quite a large proportion back of anyway, and make £100s of bns more off the trade agreements.
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    (Original post by CloakedSpartan)
    "i'm the average labour voter who has had no education in economics and I think they are bad"

    The monarchy makes this country billions upon billions more in both tax and money that flows down to the people than we spend on them, they're basically both advertising and a tourist attraction. Think properly. It's like those kids who think we should leave the EU because we "lose" all this money that we get quite a large proportion back of anyway, and make £100s of bns more off the trade agreements.
    yes but how are the royal family any better than any other human being? like they are just rich white people that coincidentally ended up privileged and having the power to rule over the country
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    (Original post by siobhan_xo)
    yes but how are the royal family any better than any other human being? like they are just rich white people that coincidentally ended up privileged and having the power to rule over the country
    Conquest and marriage is coincidence?

    And did I miss them becoming parliament?

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    They earn more money through tourism than they cost so we'd be worse of without them, so what's the point in getting rid of them.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...-money/278052/

    They also, for reasons I don't personally understand, I mean I really don't give a damn about what the royal family get up to, they do, however, make a lot of people happy.

    So the positives outweigh the negatives.
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    (Original post by John55)
    They earn more money through tourism than they cost so we'd be worse of without them, so what's the point in getting rid of them.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...-money/278052/

    They also, for reasons I don't personally understand, I mean I really don't give a damn about what the royal family get up to, they do, however, make a lot of people happy.

    So the positives outweigh the negatives.
    And that ignores the arrangements with the royal estate meaning they, effectively, pay nearly 85pc income tax, and replacing them with an elected head of state and extra dignitaries is not free, there would still be expenses there.

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