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    Every time one of these attacks happens, it's like everyone's brains completely shut down. So can we do just some basic rational thinking? I'll even put it in a conveniently numbered list, so it will be easier to understand.

    1. Muslims do denounce terrorist attacks.Literally every time something like this happens, there are swarms of Muslims publicly denouncing it. Are you not on Twitter? Do you not read the damn news? How do you not know this?

    2. It's not anyone's fault except, you know, the people who actually did it. So why should they need to denounce it? Are you a Christian? Have you denounced abortion clinic bombings yet? WHY HAVEN'T YOU DENOUNCED THE ****ING ABORTION CLINIC BOMBINGS, YOU CHRISTIAN?

    3. Islamic leaders haven't stopped the radicals, because they can't. That's the thing about radicals, they tend to ignore voices of reason. And it's not like the terrorist groups keep all 1.57 billion Muslims in the loop every time they plan an attack.


    4. Not all Muslims agree, because for some reason, getting over a billion and a half people to agree on something is really hard. Again, just like with Christians, there are offshoots upon offshoots upon offshoots. If you can find even ten Christians that agree on every aspect of their religion, I will fly to your house and personally give you $100. And yet, somehow, when it comes to Muslims, they're all united in their desire to destroy the West and rain terror down from the heavens.

    5. Violent teaching doesn't equal violent people. Just read Leviticus, and then think about how many modern day Jews and Christians stone their unruly children to death. There may be controversial bits in the Quran or hadith, but most sane people living in 2015 don't actually want to go out and do some violence because they read about it in an old book.

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    (Original post by muffingg)
    Every time one of these attacks happens, it's like everyone's brains completely shut down. So can we do just some basic rational thinking? I'll even put it in a conveniently numbered list, so it will be easier to understand.

    1. Muslims do denounce terrorist attacks.Literally every time something like this happens, there are swarms of Muslims publicly denouncing it. Are you not on Twitter? Do you not read the damn news? How do you not know this?

    2. It's not anyone's fault except, you know, the people who actually did it. So why should they need to denounce it? Are you a Christian? Have you denounced abortion clinic bombings yet? WHY HAVEN'T YOU DENOUNCED THE ****ING ABORTION CLINIC BOMBINGS, YOU CHRISTIAN?

    3. Islamic leaders haven't stopped the radicals, because they can't. That's the thing about radicals, they tend to ignore voices of reason. And it's not like the terrorist groups keep all 1.57 billion Muslims in the loop every time they plan an attack.


    4. Not all Muslims agree, because for some reason, getting over a billion and a half people to agree on something is really hard. Again, just like with Christians, there are offshoots upon offshoots upon offshoots. If you can find even ten Christians that agree on every aspect of their religion, I will fly to your house and personally give you $100. And yet, somehow, when it comes to Muslims, they're all united in their desire to destroy the West and rain terror down from the heavens.

    5. Violent teaching doesn't equal violent people. Just read Leviticus, and then think about how many modern day Jews and Christians stone their unruly children to death. There may be violent bits in the Quran or hadith (I have not read much Islamic literature personally, feel free to chime in if you have any relevant quotations), but most sane people living in 2015 don't actually want to go out and do some violence because they read about it in an old book.

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    Spot on.
    Muslims,you should never ever ever feel the need to apologise for something you did not take part in! Place no blame on yourself at all.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    The west has also played a huge part. Get out of the Middle East In that case and let us handle our own business. We don't need foreign troops. Look at what it's created. All these terrorist groups such as ISIS. Western intervention has created the perfect conditions for them to form
    Ah right, that's why this all happened I didn't know that......

    So why bombs the world trade centre twice, bomb the us embassy in Kenya and a us warship before the Afghanistan campaign.

    Answers on the back of a stamp please.




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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Spot on.
    Muslims,you should never ever ever feel the need to apologise for something you did not take part in! Place no blame on yourself at all.
    Culture and society it where it starts otherwise people would take the Old Testament seriously.




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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Interesting Paul. So when the next school shoot out happens in an American school or university are you going to apologise on behave of the White kid that did it and take responsibility? And have you done so too in the past? Answer is no. Islam is not a culture,it is a religion. Know the difference.
    Damn right the answer is no. Why would I a white British male apologise for a white American male that shoots up a school because he is an Elliot Rodgers and THEIR society allows almost everyone to own a gun?

    Now if I were an American and that school happened to be all French people for arguments sake then yes why not? After all I would be a member of society that lets that happen.

    Further to that I'm talking about society in both a macro and micro sense.

    Macro would be the laws that allows it to happen.

    Micro would be the friends and family of this person that didn't stop it happening.


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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Because of the west? Why are they no bombing China or all these other places? What is it about the west that has these jihadists so irritated? Ofcourse the west isn't entirely to blame but to just point fingers entirely at Arabs when you've invaded and ruined their lands completely(Iraq is just complete anarchy now) thanks bush!
    You didn't answer the question what happened before the invasion of Afghanistan to warrant those attacks?


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    Blair and Bush should be trailed for war crimes. They went into an unjust war in Iraq and made extremism grow in the Middle East.
    As a Tory, I must also hold the last coalition Government for supporting the Sunni 'Rebels' in Syria by funding and arming them. The west is partly to blame for the grow of 'ISIS' no question.


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    (Original post by paul514)
    Damn right the answer is no. Why would I a white British male apologise for a white American male that shoots up a school because he is an Elliot Rodgers and THEIR society allows almost everyone to own a gun?

    Now if I were an American and that school happened to be all French people for arguments sake then yes why not? After all I would be a member of society that lets that happen.

    Further to that I'm talking about society in both a macro and micro sense.

    Macro would be the laws that allows it to happen.

    Micro would be the friends and family of this person that didn't stop it happening.


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    So why're you asking Muslims to apologise then? Just because they share the same religion. Culture and religion are not the same. Two completely different things so I don't understand how Muslims from around the world are being asked to condemn this. That's none of their business. The majority of Muslims dislike ISIS
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    we face this kind of atrocity on a daily basis in the ME.
    We

    Don't see much of this in London Queeny (yet)

    Remind us all were you were born....
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    We

    Don't see much of this in London Queeny (yet)

    Remind us all were you were born....
    Yes we,because I speak on behave on my Arab brothers and sisters. Call me the spokesperson for Arab if you wish. I'm Syrian
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    It all links back to the west and instability in the region
    No sorry answer the question. What are the specific things that were done to warrant those attacks


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    Yes we,because I speak on behave on my Arab brothers and sisters. Call me the spokesperson for Arab if you wish. I'm Syrian
    I don't speak for white people I speak for British people as that is my identity.

    Another issue


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    (Original post by paul514)
    No sorry answer the question. What are the specific things that were done to warrant those attacks


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    You want me to say because of Islam but guess what,I'm not gonna say it.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    So why're you asking Muslims to apologise then? Just because they share the same religion. Culture and religion are not the same. Two completely different things so I don't understand how Muslims from around the world are being asked to condemn this. That's none of their business. The majority of Muslims dislike ISIS
    Culture/Society comes off the back of religion that's where laws and customs started.




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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    You want me to say because of Islam but guess what,I'm gonna say it.
    Nope I want you to state the reasons.


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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Good for you sweety!

    I speak for British Arabs and Arabs in the Middle East

    No issues. You can't expect us to forget all about our motherlands just because we live in the UK
    Perhaps sort out your motherland then

    Also what's wrong with saying Syrian? Why must it be Arab


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    (Original post by paul514)
    Culture/Society comes off the back of religion that's where laws and customs started.




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    Interesting. I'm a Christian Arab,I share the same culture as all other Arabs but different religions,so how does that work? Am I too responsible for the attack?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Interesting. I'm a Christian Arab,I share the same culture as all other Arabs but different religions,so how does that work? Am I too responsible for the attack?
    Good for you but you lived in a country who's laws and customs come from the dominant religion.




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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Perhaps stop interfering and funding terrorists and arming them,then maybe we can? But until then nothing is possible
    Western governments are trying to protect their own people.

    Western governments get blamed by people in the Middle East or other **** areas in the world if they don't intervene/give them money for aid.


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    Try and make your next post one that answers ALL the questions/points posed rather than going off on tangents.

    I'm off for a short sleep.


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