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    (Original post by gaijin)
    Zhen Linは日本語を勉強してる大学生の?:confused: ほんまに知らんよ。ごめん。
    いや、大学がまだです。しかも私は数学科に入学する予定 です。

    それなら、だれか説明してあげてください。
    You only use this construction (〜てあげてください) if you want to addressee to help a third person.

    税金は去年増えることになっていた。
    税金は去年増えることになった。

    The first seems to be, they are still in the process of increasing the taxes after making the decision. Whereas the last appears more to a case of just having made the decision to increase taxes but they still haven't increased them yet.
    Hmm. I'm not sure about that particular example. I think it would really depend on context. For example, it's possible to tack this onto the first sentence: 税金は去年増えることになっていたが、結局増えなかった 。 So I don't really think there's much of a difference between the two...
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    (Original post by Zhen Lin)
    いや、大学がまだです。しかも私は数学科に入学する予定 です。
    うん。頑張ってね。

    You only use this construction (〜てあげてください) if you want to addressee to help a third person.
    Odd. I used くれてください to my friend straight after posting that. :confused:

    Hmm. I'm not sure about that particular example. I think it would really depend on context. For example, it's possible to tack this onto the first sentence: 税金は去年増えることになっていたが、結局増えなかった 。 So I don't really think there's much of a difference between the two...
    I dunno, perhaps 税金は去年より増えることになくなった - would express more a completion of the action and no more increases. I think the latter can be read two ways depending how you are describing the current situation.

    To me; 税金は去年増えることになっていた seems like they haven't increased taxes yet. I'll ask Yurina tonight.
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    Hey everyone, sorry to interrupt, I haven't been on student room in years, found this thread/soc and decided to butt in ;p

    I studied Japanese at Leeds Uni for one term, then crashed and burned and walked out in my Jan exams, since then I have studied at my own pace and am much happier with my progress ;p

    I would class myself still as a beginner, my vocab is pretty small & aside from the kana i can recognise about 100 kanji, properly read about 50, and write about 20!

    I know the basic grammer forms and am just starting to get to grips with some of the more complicated ones such as uses of the te/tai/nasai forms, thought i would hang around here reading some of your discussions see if it helps at all, but wow that is some complicated discussion going on *~woosh~*

    I finally got to actually visit Japan last summer for 2weeks, and then as soon as i could afford it booked to go back for 5weeks this nov/dec XD, staying in Osaka, Tokyo and Nagoya.

    Fav place so far has to be Osaka, I am not sure why it just felt homely, and well rounded,(and denden was just *yen goes bye-bye*) Tokyo felt more of a place to visit gape at then leave (like London i guess :\), but it was so spread out and a tad overwhelming! THis time i aim to find all the places i missed last time aroudn Tokyo, so many places, so little time, get home realise i left from the wrogn station exit half the time, so somehow missed allt he cool things of tht area..damn you JR!
    I guess i missed most of whats supposed to be so amazing about Kyoto because apart from a rather nice temple area at the end of a shopping street it seemed pretty average to me


    Overall I am a bit of a Japanophile I guess, as I like quite a lot of Japanese things, including lots of J-pop/rock esp visual kei, and I enjoy some anime, mainly bandai mecha stuff or silly girly stuff liek chobits and love hina.I know abit about the history and more traditional culture but not a lot really, more interested in the modern, all hail Japan mecca of the gizmo ;p
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    (Original post by princessmarisa)
    Hey everyone, sorry to interrupt, I haven't been on student room in years, found this thread/soc and decided to butt in ;p

    I studied Japanese at Leeds Uni for one term, then crashed and burned and walked out in my Jan exams, since then I have studied at my own pace and am much happier with my progress ;p

    I would class myself still as a beginner, my vocab is pretty small & aside from the kana i can recognise about 100 kanji, properly read about 50, and write about 20!
    My kanji has gotten pretty rubbish recently, although after a few short bursts I am probably back to my pre-May standard of forgetting the stupid ones like 論. I can remember the really stupid expressions and vocab that even a Japanese person doesn't use... :o: I'm quite surprised how quickly I can remember them after forgetting them. The readings make more sense once you find a word in which is located (mainly compounds.)

    I know the basic grammer forms and am just starting to get to grips with some of the more complicated ones such as uses of the te/tai/nasai forms, thought i would hang around here reading some of your discussions see if it helps at all, but wow that is some complicated discussion going on *~woosh~*
    Maa ii deshou. As you can read, my Japanese is truly awful...

    Nasai is quite unusual because it generally means a command, a more forceful command. If you want to be extra strong or more manly, you can drop the 'sai' and just end it with な. You'll see adverts from the police and public service announcements which uses verbs with な endings.

    Normally when making basic and formal requests the Japanese will use te form + kudasai after the verb. Its best to stick with that form, unless you know the context and setting very well!

    I finally got to actually visit Japan last summer for 2weeks, and then as soon as i could afford it booked to go back for 5weeks this nov/dec XD, staying in Osaka, Tokyo and Nagoya.

    Fav place so far has to be Osaka, I am not sure why it just felt homely, and well rounded,(and denden was just *yen goes bye-bye*) Tokyo felt more of a place to visit gape at then leave (like London i guess :\), but it was so spread out and a tad overwhelming! THis time i aim to find all the places i missed last time aroudn Tokyo, so many places, so little time, get home realise i left from the wrogn station exit half the time, so somehow missed allt he cool things of tht area..damn you JR!
    I guess i missed most of whats supposed to be so amazing about Kyoto because apart from a rather nice temple area at the end of a shopping street it seemed pretty average to me
    うらやましい! My friend Yukari is practically begging me to visit Nagoya, just so I'll buy her drinks and she'll fall in love me (to paraphrase the legend Kurt Vonnegut "so it goes...") In fact she was ultimately trying to get me to apply to Meidai (Nagoya University) this year. :hmmm: I don't care if she's cute, it ain't happening. :hand:

    Osaka for me is sort of like Newcastle, in that the people are just truly unique. I love the vibe out there and my only regret of studying Japanese at Sheffield is that I am unable to study there. The people are just so wonderful. I have lots of friends out there and just want to spend as much time away from Tokyo in that place. But Tokyo is good as well.

    Winter is one of the most unusual times to go, but probably the best imo.

    Overall I am a bit of a Japanophile I guess, as I like quite a lot of Japanese things, including lots of J-pop/rock esp visual kei, and I enjoy some anime, mainly bandai mecha stuff or silly girly stuff liek chobits and love hina.I know abit about the history and more traditional culture but not a lot really, more interested in the modern, all hail Japan mecca of the gizmo ;p
    Chobits is for men deshou. :laugh:
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    日本語はとても難しいですけど、大好きです


    そうだね。日本語はとても難しいなぁ。
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    「けど」。。。。そうだね。

    ありがとうございました。 :^_^:


    チョビつは少女も.....

    うそじゃないよ!:unsure:
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    I can't seem to download Japanese Language Support from the Microsoft website. It just redirects me to an error page.

    Any ideas how else I can download language support?
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    If you are running XP, you just need to go to the control panel and install the additional east asian language files on the regional and language options. They should already be installed on Vista.
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    (Original post by gaijin)
    If you are running XP, you just need to go to the control panel and install the additional east asian language files on the regional and language options. They should already be installed on Vista.
    I've tried that, but it asked for the Windows CD, which I don't have anymore.
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    Question:

    Is 間 and 間に always used with ている form? (in relative clause form of course!)

    It seems more logical because you expressing a spatial entity between two points, so you are kinda in the middle of doing something. Hmm, I never noticed it before, but then again I rarely use this form...

    * 新しいソファで寝ている間、フラットメイトが部屋に入っ て来た。
    新しいソファで寝ている間に、フラットメイトが部屋に入 って来た。

    Okay first is grammatically incorrect because it would suggest that either you were asleep during the period that your flatmate entered the room, or that your flatmate took a really long time to enter the room.

    Maybe;

    新しいソファで寝ている間、フラットメイトがテレビを見 ていた。

    is more natural for this construction?

    However;

    新しいソファで寝ている間、フラットメイトがテレビを見 ていた。
    新しいソファで寝ながら、フラットメイトがテレビを見て いた。

    The first expresses the condition that there is equal time given to both actions, whereas the latter puts more emphasis on my flatmate watching TV and I happen to be sleeping/lying through some entertaining programme.

    I think I am right with this assumption. Please correct me!
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    (Original post by GodspeedGehenna)
    I've tried that, but it asked for the Windows CD, which I don't have anymore.
    Download Global IME.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...e/default.mspx

    Can you already see Japanese fonts on your computer?
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    (Original post by gaijin)
    Download Global IME.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...e/default.mspx

    Can you already see Japanese fonts on your computer?
    I can't see any Japanese fonts. They all come up as "?????" and such.

    Edit: I'm running XP by the way.
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    It seems as though the Microsoft website is having problems. I can't get to the page where the download is located. Instead I am redirected to this error page:

    http://www.microsoft.com/library/err...s/HandOff.aspx

    It's been like this for a few days now
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    (Original post by GodspeedGehenna)
    I can't see any Japanese fonts. They all come up as "?????" and such.

    Edit: I'm running XP by the way.
    You really need the start disc then. I'm not technically minded, so I really don't know what to do.
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    (Original post by GodspeedGehenna)
    I can't see any Japanese fonts. They all come up as "?????" and such.

    Edit: I'm running XP by the way.

    First step in your browser (internet explorer or firefox probably) click view then character encoding and try switching between unicode, western, Japanese and auto detect options to see if that helps.

    [I think it is in the view menu in IE as well but not used that in a long time so look for an option called "encoding" with options like unicode/western etc]



    You don't need the IME to view fonts, just to input them,
    I wrote how to do everything, then my finger slipped and it went away, so ill just link you to the site i learnt from ( I am technical, but clumbsy )

    http://www.declan-software.com/japanese_ime/#XPinstall


    http://www.download.com/Office-XP-To...-10059753.html

    is an alternative downlaod site if you don't have your disk and/or cant download from microsofts website
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    (Original post by princessmarisa)
    http://www.download.com/Office-XP-To...-10059753.html

    is an alternative downlaod site if you don't have your disk and/or cant download from microsofts website
    I tried playing with the encoding and that didn't seem to do anything.

    I just tried installing the IME from that link, but it failed to install, saying that I don't have Office XP? :confused:
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    (Original post by GodspeedGehenna)
    I tried playing with the encoding and that didn't seem to do anything.

    I just tried installing the IME from that link, but it failed to install, saying that I don't have Office XP? :confused:
    ah i wondered about this i thought that download might install the ime first, then let you add it to office later.

    How about the other link the step by guide?
    (http://www.declan-software.com/japanese_ime/#XPinstall)

    no help?

    ill see if i can find a downlaod mirror for the IME but it does seem like it is already included in XP you just have to "turn it on" with that enable east asian languages
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    http://thesource.ofallevil.com/norge...2/default.mspx

    try this, loosk like microsofts official site but I think it is a mirror of it
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    (Original post by princessmarisa)
    ah i wondered about this i thought that download might install the ime first, then let you add it to office later.

    How about the other link the step by guide?
    (http://www.declan-software.com/japanese_ime/#XPinstall)

    no help?

    ill see if i can find a downlaod mirror for the IME but it does seem like it is already included in XP you just have to "turn it on" with that enable east asian languages
    Nope, that way doesn't work. It asks for the XP CD, which I don't have.
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    (Original post by princessmarisa)
    http://thesource.ofallevil.com/norge...2/default.mspx

    try this, loosk like microsofts official site but I think it is a mirror of it
    Tried it. It says it won't install on this version (XP) of windows.

    I tried downloading the IME before, but when it came to installation, it said I didn't have Office XP :confused:

    This is really frustrating!
 
 
 
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