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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Yet you can't defeat me in a discussion with a keybord :lol:

    I could say the same - nothing in Sikhi forbidding it :rolleyes: My cousins are Sikh - can't marry them anyway
    Then why did you write a big essay and now you're saying I can't defeat in a discussion with a keyboard? I just brought up facts about what Muslims have done to Sikhs and what happens in mosques, goes to show how the "nice" the religion is.

    Sikhism marrying cousins isn't allowed, anyway we're not that desperate. We're also not allowed to marry out of religion.
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    (Original post by Ishax)
    Then why did you write a big essay and now you're saying I can't defeat in a discussion with a keyboard? I just brought up facts about what Muslims have done to Sikhs and what happens in mosques, goes to show how the "nice" the religion is.

    Sikhism marrying cousins isn't allowed, anyway we're not that desperate. We're also not allowed to marry out of religion.
    If you read back, you asked questions and I answered them; you got all worked up over the length of my response and questioning how much you actually know, so that is why I am saying you cannot defeat me with a keyboard - the point I was raising here is that bringing up Sikh history is irrelevant as it has no bearing on the strength of what you are saying :lol:

    In my responses you either didn't read properly or ignored, I showed you that cousin marriages are not prohibited by the Gurus - you are intellectually disingenuous and cannot impose your own cultural moral values onto what Sikhism teaches. I already know Sikhs cannot marry out of religion lol.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    If you read back, you asked questions and I answered them; you got all worked up over the length of my response and questioning how much you actually know, so that is why I am saying you cannot defeat me with a keyboard - the point I was raising here is that bringing up Sikh history is irrelevant as it has no bearing on the strength of what you are saying :lol:

    In my responses you either didn't read properly or ignored, I showed you that cousin marriages are not prohibited by the Gurus - you are intellectually disingenuous and cannot impose your own cultural moral values onto what Sikhism teaches. I already know Sikhs cannot marry out of religion lol.
    The statement just made it kind of ironic considering you've been giving me essays, ah well. I couldn't care less. You told me to go marry my cousin and I explained it's not allowed. Anyway, have a nice life
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    If you read back, you asked questions and I answered them; you got all worked up over the length of my response and questioning how much you actually know, so that is why I am saying you cannot defeat me with a keyboard - the point I was raising here is that bringing up Sikh history is irrelevant as it has no bearing on the strength of what you are saying :lol:

    In my responses you either didn't read properly or ignored, I showed you that cousin marriages are not prohibited by the Gurus - you are intellectually disingenuous and cannot impose your own cultural moral values onto what Sikhism teaches. I already know Sikhs cannot marry out of religion lol.
    Prsom. Lol how did this get to marrying cousins? :rofl: It is as if someone is murdering someone by marrying their cousin? I have seen many of my relatives do that and by their own choice and they are all happy.
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    (Original post by Ishax)
    The statement just made it kind of ironic considering you've been giving me essays, ah well. I couldn't care less. You told me to go marry my cousin and I explained it's not allowed. Anyway, have a nice life
    You have not demonstrated that it is not allowed - that's your own view, not the teaching of Sikhism
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    You have not demonstrated that it is not allowed - that's your own view, not the teaching of Sikhism
    I don't understand why would anyone want to marry their own cousin anyway? There are few religions that do allow cousin marriages. Sikh isn't one of them, if you choose not to believe that. That's your problem, not mine.
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    (Original post by h333)
    Prsom. Lol how did this get to marrying cousins? :rofl: It is as if someone is murdering someone by marrying their cousin? I have seen many of my relatives do that and by their own choice and they are all happy.
    They made a point that Sikhism teaches not to marry cousins, saying only Muslims do that in a post to someone else; I disagree as some Sikhs have married their cousins, and there is nothing in Sikhism which prohibits it - it's just a matter of culture :holmes:
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    Think of it all like this. Mohammed was a dude 1400 ish years ago. Lets say he was a good man. He genuinely wants to change his society for the better. Surrounding him to the north you've got the Roman (Byzantine) Empire with Christianity and the Persian Empire with Zoroastrianism (worship through fire). Lets just say the Romans had a far more civilized society. Mohammed was a tradesman and was familiar with Christianity, Medina at the time in fact had a Christian leader and a dominant Jewish community,

    Now, would you like to know the greatest incentive on earth. It's heaven. And the greatest de-incentive - it's hell. Look at the Roman Catholic Church and what it pulled of with those two things.

    The important part here is that Religion is man's greatest tool for controlling society. Heaven gets people to gladly blow themselves up. Hell is prison times infinity.
    Now, to marriage things. Note that the passage in the Quran that allows men to have several wives was revealed after The battle of Badr. The Muslim community had just lost a fair amount of Men, and there were widowed wives and orphans - I expect their financial well being wasn't great. Solution: Allah says it's coolio for men to take on more wives : problem equals solved. Of course the implications a thousand years down the line weren't exactly at the forefront of Mohammed's mind at the time.

    Remember this, divine religeous edicts can never bend, for to bend is to not be divinely correct.

    The more and more you look at the timing of Mohammed's sayings the more and more you will begin to realize how political and economic incentives tinge the Quran. Ever wonder why Mecca was made the spot for pilgrimage instead of Jerusalem after it was under Mohammed's control - think money.

    Oh and the best part of all. Google 'waswas'. It's this laughable concept. I say laughable but while you read up on it remember that thought crime is an attribute of a totalitarian state.

    Of course I won't even get into the whole paradox of an all powerful deity, a deity that over comes any possible refutation (remember there are creationists who believe the devils playing a joke with dinosaur fossils - and the devil isn't even all powerful)
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    They made a point that Sikhism teaches not to marry cousins, saying only Muslims do that in a post to someone else; I disagree as some Sikhs have married their cousins, and there is nothing in Sikhism which prohibits it - it's just a matter of culture :holmes:
    Oh right. I have a sikh friend and I do not think that is the case as you said, it probably is culture. In islam we are allowed but I think it is recommended to have generation gaps in between something like that lol. But yeah nothing wrong with marrying your cousin overall.
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    (Original post by h333)
    Well aren't expressions funny :lol: but can you explain properly what it means please like I think I don't fully get it.
    Well, it's basically a charge of hypocrisy. The common form is 'the pot calling the kettle black' - the idea is that the pot, which is itself covered in black soot, is in no position to criticise anything else for being sooty (or, to put it in more familiar terms, a munafiq is in no position to scold others for having weak imaan). The way I said it, it additionally implied that HAnwar is more guilty of not 'accept[ing] the fact they got owned BIG time' than most people.

    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    you say that to make a swipe at me when you always stop responding to debates with me like one or two posts in
    I stand corrected:

    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Well, aren't you the blackest pot I ever did see talking to a kettle... :rolleyes:
    Am I to take it that you've abandoned the lion-and-dogs doctrine? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Well, it's basically a charge of hypocrisy. The common form is 'the pot calling the kettle black' - the idea is that the pot, which is itself covered in black soot, is in no position to criticise anything else for being sooty (or, to put it in more familiar terms, a munafiq is in no position to scold others for having weak imaan). The way I said it, it additionally implied that HAnwar is more guilty of not 'accept[ing] the fact they got owned BIG time' than most people.

    I stand corrected:

    Am I to take it that you've abandoned the lion-and-dogs doctrine? :rolleyes:
    That was TMG who posted the lion and dogs quote :lol:
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    That was TMG who posted the lion and dogs quote :lol:
    I'm aware of that. But you still follow the doctrine.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    I'm aware of that. But you still follow the doctrine.
    I find it amusing and more like:
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    I find it amusing and more like:
    So you've not giving it up, then. In that case, I maintain:

    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Well, aren't you the blackest pot I ever did see talking to a kettle... :rolleyes:
    :lol:
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    You sick prick, why did you hit Achaea like that...
    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    So you've not giving it up, then. In that case, I maintain:



    :lol:
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Well, it's basically a charge of hypocrisy. The common form is 'the pot calling the kettle black' - the idea is that the pot, which is itself covered in black soot, is in no position to criticise anything else for being sooty (or, to put it in more familiar terms, a munafiq is in no position to scold others for having weak imaan). The way I said it, it additionally implied that HAnwar is more guilty of not 'accept[ing] the fact they got owned BIG time' than most people.



    I stand corrected:



    Am I to take it that you've abandoned the lion-and-dogs doctrine? :rolleyes:
    Wait, no way HAnwar is too good to get owned :lol: be aware.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    It is supposed to be black not blue
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    (Original post by h333)
    It is supposed to be black not blue
    Exactly - I'm not a hypocrite (InshaAllah)
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    Teapot != kettle. :rolleyes:

    (Original post by h333)
    Wait, no way HAnwar is too good to get owned :lol: be aware.
    We will have to disagree on this.

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    You do know what 'owned' means in this context, right?
 
 
 
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