The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

What is moral about bombing schools where there are innocent people, including children.

You do realise that the Arabs invaded the land in 635CE, and it was in fact the jews who were 'forced from their homes along with their families'.

thats true, but then you do have to implicitly support terrorist groups and islamist agendas,

No one is talking about "setting borders". ?

We are talking about the mass immigration, illegal one at that and not to mention the terrorism, which preceded the creation of the State of Israel.

I put it to you, do you deny that there was mass illegal immigration to Mandatory Palestine and that Jewish groups carried out terrorist atrocities during that period? ?

So to clarify and confirm:

You are saying that there was no terrorism perpetrated by adherents to the Jewish faith prior to the creation of Israel? ?

I'm now questioning your integrity.

Why did you post that incomprehensible sentence, alluding it to my post, and then respond to it?

thats true, but then you do have to implicitly support terrorist groups and islamist agendas, which the majority of the civilised world refuses to do.
this is essentially international poltics and trade, nothing to do with compassion. usa sides with israel, bolivia etc side with saudi arabia and other arab states

if you are trygin to make a humanitarian argument, then you need to ignore politics and look at morality - ie the morality of ignoreing much bigger casualities in iraq at the hands of ISIS - is that showing ' Courage and compassion' or simply towing the islamist agenda?

Supporting Gaza =/= Supporting HAMAS.

Yet, according to your reasoning, "the majority of the civilised world" are actually funding the Islamists.

America is sending $47 million
The UK is sending around £10 million
France pledged around 11 million Euros

Hell, even Scotland is sending £500,000

Somewhere which doesn't require a war and the death of thousands of people to live in. I don't know. Don't ask me.

Israel started this latest round of hostilities not Hamas.

Please dont lecture me about it. Blowing up innocent women and children taking shelter in UN schools is not self defence! There were no "terrorist groups" in that school for God's sake! !

The Israelis are committing mass murder and yet the Western leaders shrugging their shoulders. They even showed their hypocricy to support only Iraqi Christains who fled their homes because of terrorist ISIS well actually west are helping against ISIS ( perhaps not as much as they should) my point wasnt about the west but hypocrite islamists and also pro palestinains to ignore the attrocities caused by ISIS which are much higher numbers than in palestine - any actual answer to this point??

Why on earth didnot show support to others in Gaza, Syria or even to non Christains Iraq who also face danger!

What is moral about bombing schools where there are innocent people, including children.

Why dont we say Israel is a cancer to Gazan society? Aren't they the ones who had been killing the Palestinians for a very long time. Aren't they the ones who use Palestians children as human shiel

I saw the link. It appears that the culprits were prosecuted. Obviously, this is unacceptable by law. They broke the law, they were punished. Who was punished for the death of the three Israeli children? Did they ever catch those responsible?


Dont you know that:

1. Gaza was invaded by Israel in 1967 & ever since then Israel is illegally occupying the whole of Gaza strip

Israelis left Gaza in 2007. Jews were forced out of their homes in the settlements to please Gazans. The result was Hamas got cocky. We all know what happens when these extremists get their way.

2. Gaza is surrounded on three sides by Israel blocked all these three sides by Israeli army & navy & one side by Egypt where the Egyptian army along with Israeli & UN observers & monitors blocks the entry of any body from Gaza.So Gaza is literally huge prison where not even a bird can enter without Israel’s permission.


3. Gaza has no sea port or airport or even a train station.

4. Gaza residents cannot leave Gaza as they don’t even have passports. Plus there are Israeli checkpoints in every place. Also no one from any country can enter Gaza without Israel’s permission which is impossible to get , forget about ordinary man even the top politicians of powerful countries had been denied entry in Gaza by Israel. Gaza is a place which is totally cutoff from the rest of the world.

So were other places/ countries with undetermined state status in the past. You need to have diplomatic relations with countries to be able to enter/ exit.

5. Each and every daily use commodities comes through these Israeli check points. Even the milk, wheat medicines all items come through these Israeli check points. Israel charge taxes on all the items witch goes through these check points

That's because they have to make sure they're not smuggling in weapons or bombs to aid the Hamas cause. C'mon, even ambulances have been used for storing bombs, for instance! They're shooting themselves in the foot by acting this way.

Also, why does everyone insist that Gaza has always been this impoverished ****hole?







6. Gaza is like a big jail. It is entire country under seize. Even inside Gaza Israel have several check posts at important junctions. The Israeli army harasses and humiliates Gaza citizens every day as the Gaza citizens cross these check posts.

I need a reliable source backing this up. Since 2007, there have been NO ISRAELIS in Gaza. Yes, there is a blockade, but Gaza is not occupied by Israelis. They didn't want any. Heck, if they saw one, no matter how peaceful, they'd probably shoot him on the spot.

7. The UN has urged Israel numerous times to remove this illegal seizure of Gaza but Israel never listen to UN . More then 50 resolutions have been passed by UN against Israel but with USA always on its side so Israel just doesn’t care.

Also, the UN is slowly turning into the new League of Nations. But really, that's a topic for another discussion. The UN can only condemn, but that's the extent of its 'powers'. It also condemned the placement of rockets in UN schools in Gaza, for instance. That doesn't mean that this didn't occur a second, and then a third time in the space of the two weeks after the condemnation.

This is in relation to this conflict, by the way. The thing is, when you place your weapons in civilian places such as UN schools, you're effectively using human shields. That's what human shields are- hoping no one will bomb the place because it's civilian. It's a dangerous game.


8. The food and essentials are always in short supply in Gaza as Israel delays, discourages and harass its imports in Gaza. Shops don’t have enough rations, hospitals don’t have enough and essential medicines. Power is in short supply, petrol and gas is in shortage too. The inflation is highest in the world in Gaza as a result of it. The poverty is rising at the highest rate also. The Gaza children’s are among the worst malnutrition children now

See above.

Not to mention, the acting government Hamas, receives millions in foreign aid from countries such as the UAE, Qatar and Saudi.

Only recently, Sheikh Khalifa sent 25 million US dollars in aid to Gaza.

Not to mention all of their 'private donors'.

Also, I recently saw a TV segment, something I'm sure you've heard of, of Top Hamas Leaders stealing funds.

Maybe if Hamas stopped digging tunnels and stealing money, Gaza might have less malnourished kids, this is just a thought.

9. There are no specialized doctors or equipments to treat the serious injury or disease in any hospitals. Every now and then Israeli army bomb Gaza and the innocent civilians get hurt during bombing. These wounded civilians plead and beg in the check points to let them out for treatment but they kind Israeli army never let them. So the wounds which could have been treated become more severe and often the wounded becomes handicapped for the rest of their lives.

The Israeli never let them? Source, please? Also, technically the Israeli shouldn't have to let them, the Gazans wanted all the Israeli out, why should the Israeli welcome the Gazans in? Can't have your cake and eat it, Gaza.

10. Once a thriving society and rich people now have become beggars & prisoners in their own country.Can you imagine the trauma the humiliation the harassment the pain in the hearts of these people who have been invaded and made prisoners and slaves in their own country?

​When was Gaza a thriving society? Under the Ottomans?

They have been struggling for their independence since almost 50 years now. With each passing day Israel is constructing new settlements for its Israeli citizens in their land. With each passing day their hope of independence, a hope to live a normal life like any other human is fading away. Every night they sleep in pain and every morning they wake up with sorrows.

You're confusing Gaza with the West Bank. The settlements is not something I agree with, either.

In the pretext of peace talks Israel actually is delaying their independence to capture more and more of their land everyday by constructing new Israeli homes and settlements.

NO SETTLEMENTS in Gaza. Gaza has no Israelis since 2007.

The Palestinians know this and they are watching it helplessly. Just like a goat watch the lion eats its children but can do nothing. They are shedding tears of blood. With Israeli soldiers harassing them , cursing them, abusing them mocking them, hurting them , killing them everyday in their very own land, all Palestinians can do is watch and cry.

What suggestions do you have now? The western paid media is making & broadcasting news in such a manner that one should feel as if Gaza residence are the one who are occupying Israel and Israel is fighting for the freedom of its citizen. So that people can only curse and blame Gaza residents. Can you try to feel their misery and helplessness? We can not even imagine spending even one day in the jail called Gaza and they are living there everyday..... Wake up man! Stand up for them for the sake of humanity.

Who cares. They started it. Nothing that's going on in the Middle East, Ukraine, Africa and elsewhere is moral, in fact, other conflicts are 1000 times worse. I despise people who speak of "morality" when their agenda (whether they realize it or not) is 100% political

You live in a bubble if you think people outside the UK and Scandinavian countries give a crap. Not everyone is surrounded by a left wing government and media alongside a large muslim population that spews pro palestinian garbage and makes society live on emotion rather than facts. Trust me when I say its only the British and the large number of muslims in Europe that are barking over this. Support for Israel in the US is higher than ever (according to polls) and most Americans blame Hamas for this war. Canada is too a big supporter of Israel.

So what if there are weapons inside them, there are also innocent civilians inside them too!




The view that "they started it" is extremely childish over such a serious matter. Peoples lives are being lost. It doesn't matter who started it, what matters is that innocent civilians are being killed due to the fact that two sides are both fighting purely for political reasons.

I don't live in a bubble, because I do not think that many people 'give a crap'. I especially agree with your point that the US blame Hamas and support Israel. I have seen some shocking clips of Fox news coverage of the conflict, and it actually angers me to listen to how biased the news reports and "debates" are. In my opinion, Israel should not be getting any outside support. However, one opinion of one girl is not going to even be a minute blip on anything.

Let's first define terrorism:

Terrorism: using violence or means of terror in order to obtain political obiectives.

Israel has time and time again used violence to get it wants and I'm pretty sure no one disagrees with me that being a Gazan must be terrifying to a level none of us will experience. Therefore, Israel is also a terrorist state but that doesn't matter to you because the word 'terrorist' can only apply to Muslims and its meaning is irrelevant.

Hamas is classed as a terrorist group because it is against Israel and because the Western big shots like America and the UK support it regardless of its actions. Now tell me why Hamas is a terrorist entity and Israel isn't?

Oh yeah, maybe because in your mind terrorists can only be brown people who kill white people, right?

Oh and, one side, some of Hamas, speak of wishing to destroy Israel while the other side, Israel is actively destroying the Palestinian people in Gaza. I think I know which side is more condemnable. Israel has a long history of carrying out false flag operations, I wouldn't be surprised if it was behind at least some of those rocket attacks on Israel.


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That's your version of history. Real history shows this as a regional Arab-Israeli conflict (some of the wars were in a sense part of the Cold War), rather than a narrow Israeli-Palestinian thats something very recent.

It's not bleeding heart crap. People are dying. Innocent lives are being lost. And it is not just the actions of Hamas, it is also the actions of Israel.

There is a massive difference between the bombing of Gaza and the bombing of Israel, and a lot of people seem to forget this. Israel has support from the US, it has a giant army, is more developed and receives military equipment as aid. It can afford domes and shelters to protect it's civilians.
Gaza is a small strip of land. It's lacking many resources, including an army or military equipment due to the blockade that Israel put on it. Therefore, it cannot protect itself from Israeli attacks, it only has Hamas (which yes, is a terror organisation) It does not have iron domes or shelters, and Israel know this- yet continue to bomb schools and residential areas?

Hamas are a terror organisation. However aren't Israel doing the same thing? They are using violence and intimidation to reach their political goals. This is also terrorism. Yet no-one is preventing it.

setting the borders was part of establishing israel as a state

im afraid it does seeing as you pointed out, the gazans accepted in the islamists to run gaza in their 'election'

I know that? I'm sorry, I don't quite understand your point.

Shelters and hospitals are being used to hide/fire missiles, so they are legitimate targets.

Eh no. Peace talks broke down, then three israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered, believed to be by two Hamas operatives - it all escalated from there. So, Hamas started it. Or if you prefer to look at it from Operation Protective Edge, that was in response to increased rocket fire from Hamas.