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    (Original post by Teddysmith123)
    where is the infamous 'RUN' that every doctor has?
    Into the Dalek and Robot of Sherwood had the infamous "Run". Keep in mind, the quote "Run" only came popular during, and after, 2005. The Classic Who didn't have it as a main quotation. Also, remember, not every episode has to have it in.


    (Original post by Teddysmith123)
    I did dislike how it was all about clara's relationship
    The episode wasn't all about Clara's relationship. But, having said that, that is going to be a big part of this series, so there is no surprise there. But, I don't think the dating scenes diminished in anyway the scenes that were referring back to fear, and Capaldi's Doctor. It also added more questions about Danny.

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    if clara was an interesting companion I probably wouldn't have cared; but I want to see more from the doctor!
    Gosh! You're going to hate episode 9. It's just Clara as the main character. Very Doctor light.


    (Original post by Teddysmith123)
    but they went down the childish route of no it's just fear
    You think that was a "childish route"? Really? Fear is a very good topic to discuss, and it's not just children who have fear. Everyone has it - young to elderly. I'm in my 20's, and even I got scared by the blanket, face in the mirror, knock on the doors, and the slight glimpse of darkness entering. I'm sure most of people would agree it was one of the most mature and adult stories Doctor Who has really done. The script was incredibly multilayered.
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    On another note, were there any references to Missy/The Promised Land this episode? I don't remember there being any, for the first time this series. It's also the first episode of this series in which no-one has died, if that is at all relevant to the story arc.
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    I thought the episode had a lot of potential but was ultimately a bit disappointing. I quite like Danny Pink so far but Clara doesn't really do it for me as a companion, and I don't see the Doctor as the main character right now which should always be an issue. Still, plenty of time to rectify that!
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    loved it

    more delving into the past/persona of the Doctor, very clever, loved the whole fear makes you stronger thing as well. thought Clara was much better in this episode as well.

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    next week looks pretty awesome I am right in thinking that was Missy in the trailer right? my brain is a little groggy atm
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    (Original post by Feefifofum)
    On another note, were there any references to Missy/The Promised Land this episode? I don't remember there being any, for the first time this series. It's also the first episode of this series in which no-one has died, if that is at all relevant to the story arc.
    That's where the ship was headed

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    (Original post by Teddysmith123)
    I thought this could have been a really good 'scary' episode like blink, but it was childish and I did dislike how it was all about clara's relationship - apart from the seeing the doctor as a child at the end. I am also disappointed by the lack of action in the recent episodes - where is the infamous 'RUN' that every doctor has? :dontknow: For me the last few episodes have been more about clara than the doctor, and if clara was an interesting companion I probably wouldn't have cared; but I want to see more from the doctor! I had hoped this episode would be good and the first half was, but as soon as they went to the end of the universe and met orson pink it kind of went downhill. They could have created so much with this idea but they went down the childish route of no it's just fear - this is why they need to change moffat as head writer it's not fair to perter capaldi who is a fab actor or to the fans of the show!


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    They have stated there will be a lot less running with this Doctor. =l
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    They have stated there will be a lot less running with this Doctor. =l
    no offence, but who cares? how does it matter at all how much he runs?
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    The theme is fear, and fear itself. So we have to look at the hallmarks of how fear is constructed in fiction and in real life.

    Fear in both mediums is generated through uncertainty; both the actual fear in real life, and how fear is presented within art. I think that the episode tried to present the idea of fear itself in absence of anything else. notice how every time fear was presented in the episode it is heavily cliched; the knocking at the door, the typical creaks which are used in films to create fear within an audience. But we get no clear object to this; the construction of the fear is the end result itself. I think the episode characterises the externalisation of the internal fears of the Dr. Fear's suggested by Clara to be a constant companion to the young Dr, and this is presented I think by framing this remark at the start of the episode with the Dr's musing at being alone. We have seen in prior episodes his isolation from Clara develop, and we've seen through the new series the Dr's isolation from humanity. I've talked about how we saw this in the previous episodes of this series. I see this episode as a continuation of this theme.

    With this in mind, I think that the thing underneath the blanket is a question that the text deliberately does not answer. Because, just as fear is constructed to be about uncertainty, the open question left by the text here self referentially presents the very construction of fear the episode creates. So it does not matter what the figure is, because the lack of resolution has a purpose in itself. I think that questioning what it is, then, is meaningless.

    Going back to the Dr's fear of being alone, the idea of fear being the Dr's companion starts at the end of the episode, where the Dr is alone in a barn and has his "dream", and fear being described as being his constant companion by Clara. Considering that the Dr is alone, as we've established in previous episodes, his fear is his "constant companion" and shapes who he is. If he always alone, he lives in a state of fear, and his every action is within fear. Therefore his perception of reality is through the lense of his fear, and this shapes the way he relates to the world. His idea about an undetectable creature is merely a metaphor for this aspect of himself.

    I think we can link this theme to the idea of the Dr becoming increasingly isolated from Clara. I think this is an episode about the Dr's psychology.


    Well, that's my interpretation, for what it's worth.
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    I loved it. Like with most of Steven Moffat's episodes, I think this is going to go down as a classic. The premise was intriguing, it featured a interesting glimpse at the Doctor's childhood which raised more questions about our favourite Time Lord and Peter Capaldi and Jenna Coleman were at their absolute best.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    no offence, but who cares? how does it matter at all how much he runs?
    Its not how much he runs but the latest episodes have been slow on action!

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    The problem I have with doctor who, Is it doesn't know what it is, a kids show or an adult show.

    You have great episodes like the angel one or the one last night about being alone. Then you have ones like Peter Capaldi's first which was a dinosaur.

    I mean come on!!
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    (Original post by Teddysmith123)
    Its not how much he runs but the latest episodes have been slow on action!

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    In that case, you must have missed Into The Dalek and Robot Of Sherwood.
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    (Original post by PillsIV)
    The problem I have with doctor who, Is it doesn't know what it is, a kids show or an adult show.

    You have great episodes like the angel one or the one last night about being alone. Then you have ones like Peter Capaldi's first which was a dinosaur.

    I mean come on!!
    It's a family one.
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    (Original post by Unibuster325)
    It's a family one.
    I kinda guessed when I saw kids with doctor who lunch boxes,

    But then some episodes are really dark. Like really dark. If I had kids I wouldn't let them watch some episodes of it. Angels scared me! Also last night about the monster under your bed? How is that family
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    (Original post by PillsIV)
    I kinda guessed when I saw kids with doctor who lunch boxes,

    But then some episodes are really dark. Like really dark. If I had kids I wouldn't let them watch some episodes of it. Angels scared me! Also last night about the monster under your bed? How is that family
    I've never missed an episode!! Got to catch up on last night's though

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    (Original post by PillsIV)
    I kinda guessed when I saw kids with doctor who lunch boxes,

    But then some episodes are really dark. Like really dark. If I had kids I wouldn't let them watch some episodes of it. Angels scared me! Also last night about the monster under your bed? How is that family
    As the Doctor and Clara both said, 'fear is a superpower'.

    There's nothing wrong with scaring kids in the media. Indeed, that is one of the show's strengths.
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    (Original post by Unibuster325)
    As the Doctor and Clara both said, 'fear is a superpower'.

    There's nothing wrong with scaring kids in the media. Indeed, that is one of the show's strengths.
    I never got scared by one episode:smug:

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    (Original post by Andy98)
    I never got scared by one episode:smug:

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    Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead terrified me. I couldn't stand in shadows afterwards out of fear of my flesh being eaten. I had to sort of jump over them.

    And then there was The Water Of Mars, which made me scared to wash my hands.

    Listen didn't really scare me but then I am older than I was when I watched the previous two stories mentioned.
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    I seem to be in the minority here, as the ending didn't really work me. I thought the episode was well directed and quite creepy, but I was expecting an actual resolution or climax. Me and my friend were both kinda confused at the end, perhaps a second viewing would help.

    Questions:
    When Clara went back to the Doctors past and was under his bed, was she creating the already existing fear that the Doctor had (ie it was already determined) or was she 'rewriting' his timeline by saying comforting words so that in the present he realised it was just an irrational fear?
    Why did Clara grab his leg? It doesn't seem a very normal reaction, and she already knew that was what people were afraid of. It also seemed like a spur of the moment thing not a plan.
    If there really was no 'monster under the bed' what was the thing under the blanket? I expect people will say it could be a child playing a prank, but the blurred glimpse we got didn't look much like a child, and it pretty much shot out of the room in a flash of light.

    I guess the whole point of the ending is the ambiguity of the fear/monster, I suppose I was just expecting a more concrete resolution.
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    (Original post by montstar)
    When Clara went back to the Doctors past and was under his bed, was she creating the already existing fear that the Doctor had (ie it was already determined) or was she 'rewriting' his timeline by saying comforting words so that in the present he realised it was just an irrational fear?
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    I think that's up to interpretation but I'd say because the Doctor was crying, that the fear already existed at that point and Clara's comforting words got rid of it. There's a resolution for you.
    Why did Clara grab his leg?
    She was trying to stop the Doctor meeting himself because as already established in the episode, meeting yourself is not a good thing(well, except if events mean you have to, of course, like with The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors, The Two Doctors, Time Crash and Day of the Doctor).

    If there really was no 'monster under the bed' what was the thing under the blanket?
    Again, that's up to interpretation but the most popular theory seems to be a child playing a prank on Rupert. Personally, though, I like to think it's a creature created by the Doctor's fear of something under the bed.
 
 
 
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