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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    and what do you suppose are the purpose of these rockets? To take life obviously. :dunce:
    I know that? I'm sorry, I don't quite understand your point.

    (Original post by Sic semper erat)
    America is awesome, theyre support the right side =P Why should they support the terrorists that danced during 9/11? I myself have Canadian citizenship, our Prime Minister Harper is a staunch supporter of Israel
    Where is your proof that Hamas caused 9/11? Not all terrorists are connected with the 9/11 attacks, there are many different organisations. There are hundreds of innocent people, including children, being murdered by the actions of Israel- none of these innocent people were connected with the 9/11 attacks at all- so why even try to link the two? Why punish them for something they have not done?

    I respect that you have your own view, everyone is entitled to it. However, I am definitely not a supporter of Israel and in my opinion they are also terrorists. I think it's despicable that such influential countries are creating such biased news reports (Fox News) and are supporting the terrorist actions of Israel.
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    (Original post by skd1996)
    I know that? I'm sorry, I don't quite understand your point.
    So surely it is justified for Israel to destroy them, or are Palestinian loves worth more than Israeli ones?
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    (Original post by eddie1221)
    Shelters and hospitals are being used to hide/fire missiles, so they are legitimate targets.
    There have been rockets stored in abandoned schools, but there is apparently no evidence that all of the places which have been bombed by Israel contained munitions. Particularly not the UN shelters...

    Israel told Palestinians to leave their houses, so over 3000 fled to a UN shelter whose location Israel knew. Then Israel bombed the shelter. What possible justification is there for that?
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Eh no. Peace talks broke down, then three israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered, believed to be by two Hamas operatives - it all escalated from there. So, Hamas started it. Or if you prefer to look at it from Operation Protective Edge, that was in response to increased rocket fire from Hamas.
    I believe I asked you for evidence in regards to this yet you failed to respond.

    And now here you, prattling the same thing.

    Tell me: When atheist moderators start believing in something without evidence, does that make them hypocrites when they call out the religious people for doing the same? Or is it one rule for moderators and another rule for others?
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    but hamas did hide their rockets in various UN schools as the UN stated itself
    The UN have not stated this.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    This is exactly why it is bleeding heart crap, you think that because Israel is stronger, it should have no right to defend itself. If an old person tried to attack an MMA fighter, I would say the MMA fighter should still be within his rights to smash that old biddie up
    Correct version of these events would be the MMA fighter forcibly entering the old guys house, taking much of his food and possessions, and then when the old guy kicks him in the shin and tells him to leave, the MMA fighter throws a haymaker to the skull and causes some permanent brain damage

    Nom'sayin?
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Israel's goal is to disarm Hamas, which is a perfectly legitimate goal since as you say they are a terrorist organisation

    This is exactly why it is bleeding heart crap, you think that because Israel is stronger, it should have no right to defend itself. If an old person tried to attack an MMA fighter, I would say the MMA fighter should still be within his rights to smash that old biddie up
    Israel are using intimidation and violence to reach a political goal- that is terrorism. They are just as much terrorists as Hamas.
    I don't believe it should be bombing civilian areas. Read the latest post by TurboCretin, he makes a fantastic point. Yes, defend themselves, but there is no reason at all to attack civilians.

    In the same view point, Hamas are an extremist group- these extremist views were brought on by the actions of Israel. Why shouldn't it be angry and attack?

    (Original post by yo radical one)
    So surely it is justified for Israel to destroy them, or are Palestinian loves worth more than Israeli ones?
    No. No life is worth more than another. However, Israel are taking innocent lives in a country where the innocent have little to no protection at all.
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    (Original post by bertstare)
    Correct version of these events would be the MMA fighter forcibly entering the old guys house, taking much of his food and possessions, and then when the old guy kicks him in the shin and tells him to leave, the MMA fighter throws a haymaker to the skull and causes some permanent brain damage

    Nom'sayin?
    Lol

    Except for when the UN offered the two state solution which the Arabs rejected, but Israel accepted then who goes on to lose the war then cries to the world about their victimhood?
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    I believe I asked you for evidence in regards to this yet you failed to respond.

    And now here you, prattling the same thing.

    Tell me: When atheist moderators start believing in something without evidence, does that make them hypocrites when they call out the religious people for doing the same? Or is it one rule for moderators and another rule for others?
    No you didn't. You asked for evidence that hamas were storing rockets in civilian areas, then ignored it.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    No you didn't. You asked for evidence that hamas were storing rockets in civilian areas, then ignored it.
    Could you direct me to the "evidence" which you claim you posted in response to my post?
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Lol

    Except for when the UN offered the two state solution which the Arabs rejected, but Israel accepted then who goes on to lose the war then cries to the world about their victimhood?
    If they were so intent on such solutions they wouldn't continue to build countless illegal settlements in land that does not belong to them
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    Could you direct me to the "evidence" which you claim you posted in response to my post?
    I responded asking if you'd ignored the UNRWA admitting that caches of rockets had been found in the schools - this has been all over the news, since yet another set has been found this week. http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptN...0Q45TO20140729
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    The UN have not stated this.
    Which part, that Hamas placed the rockets or that rockets were placed at a UN school?

    Because rockets were placed at a UN School, by someone who had the authority to do so, effectively making the school a possible target and putting the civilians there at danger.

    I wonder who could possibly have that kind of authority in Gaza...

    Obviously, it couldn't be their government! It's not like it's considered a terrorist organization by every civilized country ever.

    Before you say that it's just my opinion and speculation, so is your opinion about why Israel has entered Gaza, which you stated to be so that they can oppress the Gazans until they see them as a legitimate state. Whataboutery? Maybe! Provide a reliable link backing that up, before you demand one for my speculation.
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    (Original post by Sanctimonious)
    Source please? And no, biblical scriptures are not an acceptable source at all. Please put forward some strong factual evidence to back up those claims.
    If I told you it was from Wikipedia, you'd laugh it off as 'not reliable' so I'll give you the original source:

    Gil, Moshe [1997]. A History of Palestine, Cambridge University Press:

    In 635 CE, the region, including Jerusalem, was conquered by Arabs. It remained under Muslim control and predominately Muslim occupancy for the next 1300 years under various caliphates.
    I'm not a walking encyclopedia. If you want more information then search google for the "7th century Muslim conquest".

    For the record, these are facts, not 'claims'. Just because you lack sufficient knowledge on the 7th century Middle East, don't automatically assume that none of it is true. Thank you.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Israel's goal is to disarm Hamas, which is a perfectly legitimate goal since as you say they are a terrorist organisation

    This is exactly why it is bleeding heart crap, you think that because Israel is stronger, it should have no right to defend itself. If an old person tried to attack an MMA fighter, I would say the MMA fighter should still be within his rights to smash that old biddie up
    "The Israeli prime minister says Hamas is “dedicated to the destruction of Israel.” Actually, Hamas leaders have repeatedly made clear a much different posture, one that involves indefinite peaceful coexistence with Israel even if they officially term it only a hudna or truce. It would be more accurate to say that Israel is dedicated to the destruction of Hamas, an objective that Israel has demonstrated with not just its words but its deeds, including prolonged collective punishment of the population of the Gaza Strip in an effort to strangle the group. Such efforts have included large-scale violence that—although carried out overtly by military forces and thus not termed terrorism—has been every bit as lethal to innocent civilians. In such circumstances, why should Hamas be expected to be the first to go beyond the vocabulary of hudna and mouth some alternative words about the status of its adversary?"

    - Paul Pillar, Georgetown University's Center for Security Studies

    Incidentally, I think the majority of people would disagree with you about the MMA fighter's right to pummel the old biddy.
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    (Original post by King Kebab)
    Israel have killed over 1400,most of them including children

    Hamas have killed 58 with 56 of them being soldiers

    You really think that Hamas are only targeting civilians while Israel aren't?
    Wrong. Yes Israel have killed 1300 individuals.
    The majority of these deaths are actually MEN (~85%) despite the fact men make up about 30% of the population.
    Israel has been bombing a densely populated area for 3 weeks now yet has killed 1300 and approx. 15% of these deaths were women and children despite the fact the make up 60+% of the population.
    It seems that Israel is not targeting civilians whereas Hamas deliberately target civilians.

    Hamas have only managed to kill soldiers because Israels defence system is solid. If it wasn't for the Iron Dome how many Israelis do you think would be dead considering Hamas constantly bombard them with rockets and deliberately target civilians.



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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    I responded asking if you'd ignored the UNRWA admitting that caches of rockets had been found in the schools - this has been all over the news, since yet another set has been found this week. http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptN...0Q45TO20140729
    I'm asking for the post you claim that "I ignored".

    Could you provide that please?
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    (Original post by miavdbt)
    Which part, that Hamas placed the rockets or that rockets were placed at a UN school?
    The "fact" that HAMAS placed the rockets....
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    Israel is clearly a terrorist state intent on committing genocide. It's amazing that the media even call this a war, how the **** is a co-ordinated, US-supported, armed and formidable military force killing defenseless men, women, and children a war? On what planet is this so?

    "B-B-BUT HAMAS!"

    If an entire nation imprisoned you and your people on a small strip of land; dropped 1000-pound iron fragmentation bombs on your family, friends, schools, hospitals and limited energy sources; took your land and water supplies, and starved your people to the point where half of the children are malnourished, and subjected you to various other incredibly heinous acts of war, would you not wish for their destruction too? Netanyahu is clearly a psychopath, and those defending Israel are getting angry about a victim scratching a rapist during an assault. Fighting is all that the Palestinians have left.

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    (Original post by miscounted_time)
    Wrong. Yes Israel have killed 1300 individuals.
    The majority of these deaths are actually MEN (~85%) despite the fact men make up about 30% of the population.
    Israel has been bombing a densely populated area for 3 weeks now yet has killed 1300 and approx. 15% of these deaths were women and children despite the fact the make up 60+% of the population.
    It seems that Israel is not targeting civilians whereas Hamas deliberately target civilians.

    Hamas have only managed to kill soldiers because Israels defence system is solid. If it wasn't for the Iron Dome how many Israelis do you think would be dead considering Hamas constantly bombard them with rockets and deliberately target civilians.



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    You know fine well that I accidently omitted the word civillians before the comna in my post
 
 
 
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