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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    You linked to the Liberals though and your not connected to them either.
    We at least share their name (although I don't know if it was ever a direct inspiration) and I know a couple of our members have joined the real-life party too. It's not really any different to yourselves or Labour except the association is less obvious due to it being a smaller party.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    It's because people refuse to belive they could work.
    As well as not wanting them to work. The British stationed battleships outside Catalonia just in case the city needing saving from the worker uprising. Luckily the fascists and Stalinist did that for them.
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    We at least share their name (although I don't know if it was ever a direct inspiration) and I know a couple of our members have joined the real-life party too. It's not really any different to yourselves or Labour except the association is less obvious due to it being a smaller party.
    As somebody that was around when it was changed i'm entirely certain it was for no other reason than electioneering. Indeed your membership moved to the right afterward.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    As well as not wanting them to work. The British stationed battleships outside Catalonia just in case the city needing saving from the worker uprising. Luckily the fascists and Stalinist did that for them.
    People in power will do anything to keep power in the hands of the few.
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    Is this the best reason to vote Labour?

    Katie Hopkins promises to leave the UK if Labour get elected, wins Ed Miliband the battle for Number 10
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    (Original post by Aph)
    They haven't attacked us though, they are only attacking the Middle East. Like I said, create and isolation zone around them let them implode
    So beheading our citizens, for no other reason than their nationality, doesn't constitute an attack on us?
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    (Original post by The Financier)
    So under your definition, beheading our citizens doesn't constitute an attack on us?
    One citizen who went over there and chose to die... They want a responce and they want war so that they can be martyred and because it will encorage others to take up their cause.
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    All our members are some variants of centrists - believing in a mixed economy with the involvement of both the state and private companies - but some are slightly to the left or right of this. Personally I'm centre-left, and economically support Keynesian principles and the nationalisation of key industries, so probably not far away from TSR Labour. That's by no means a "party line" though, our Chairman for instance is generally more on the right.
    If you're gonna call yourself liberal, surely you should be economically right wing?

    Also your part sounds like rl lib dems to me.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    One citizen who went over there and chose to die...
    That someone who holds this kind of view, of an innocent humanitarian aid worker who was only trying to help those caught up in the conflict, was placed in charge of our foreign affairs by this government... it would almost be funny were it not so tragic.
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    (Original post by KingStannis)
    If you're gonna call yourself liberal, surely you should be economically right wing?

    Also your part sounds like rl lib dems to me.
    Capitalist? Yes, absolutely. "Right-Wing?" Well, it's inherently subjective, but I don't think so. There's no conflict between having a state that gives everyone an equal opportunity to succeed, and a free market that provides competition, growth and employment. Keynes, for instance, was definitely on the left but is a popular figure for many Liberals and, when made a Lord, took his seat on their party benches.

    And not really - their economic policy seems to be purely pragmatic and devoid of any ideological direction at all.
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    (Original post by The Financier)
    That someone who holds this kind of view, of an innocent humanitarian aid worker who was only trying to help those caught up in the conflict, was placed in charge of our foreign affairs by this government... it would almost be funny were it not so tragic.
    I was under the impression he went to fight... Or is he the guy that the British Muslim community pleaded for his relece??? There are so many ISIS story's they all kinda get mixed up to me.
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    I was under the impression he went to fight... Or is he the guy that the British Muslim community pleaded for his relece??? There are so many ISIS story's they all kinda get mixed up to me.
    Do you seriously not know who Alan Henning is?!

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    (Original post by The Financier)
    Do you seriously not know who Alan Henning is?!

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    I can never remember names So no I don't.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Being 30 years younger than the average member we do tend to be a little different although not huge.

    Unfortunately, this term has been a dark one. The Libertarians and Socialists have collapsed. The Greens have moved to the extremist left. The left of the Liberals have silenced the Orange Bookers. Your own party is fighting an infection and appears unable to hold the Greens back.
    In this coalition Labour have been excellent for its supporters - to the point that the Greens don't even try to get certain bills passed as government ones.
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    Mr Speaker, over the past term we have seen Labour and the Greens trade positions somewhat as Labour have taken a more pragmatic approach while the Greens have fallen victim to the infection of the extremist left.

    In 1982 Britain sent a task force of 23 frigates and destroyers (around a third of our navy) to the Falklands and in the First Gulf War when we defended Kuwait we deployed around 140 strikecraft. Mr Speaker, today we have a combined total of 19 destroyers and frigates and have deployed just 8 strikecraft to provide air support to the Kurds.

    Will the Labour Party in advance of the coming general election admit that the plans outlined in last terms defense review were inadequate now that we are faced with Russia and Islamism spreading like a plague beyond Syria and Iraq, now to Yemen and Libya. Will the Labour Party support creating a new consensus within the Mhoc to strengthen our armed forces and restore our forces to a level at least comparable to the 1980's.

    Finally, will Labour's own foreign affairs spokesman assure the House that the open attitude of appeasement from the Greens is not replicated in the Labour Party.
    Mr Speaker I'd like to remind the right honourable gentleman that in the last Defence Review Labour increased the capacity of the the Air Force, though of course, at the expense of the Navy. In light of growing global instability a future Labour government might release another Defence Review to meet the new challenges. We are not a pacifist part and there are those amongst us who support Liberal Intervention. Ultimately we do not have plans to push for change in the military in this Green-led government whilst there is no appetite for it in our coalition. partners' parties.
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    Capitalist? Yes, absolutely. "Right-Wing?" Well, it's inherently subjective, but I don't think so. There's no conflict between having a state that gives everyone an equal opportunity to succeed, and a free market that provides competition, growth and employment. Keynes, for instance, was definitely on the left but is a popular figure for many Liberals and, when made a Lord, took his seat on their party benches.

    And not really - their economic policy seems to be purely pragmatic and devoid of any ideological direction at all.
    You sound similar to me economically.

    In what way are they devoid of ideological direction? I've always considered Clegg to be a weak Blair.
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    (Original post by KingStannis)
    You sound similar to me economically.

    In what way are they devoid of ideological direction? I've always considered Clegg to be a weak Blair.
    In my opinion they have strong views on social reform, the consitution, that kind of thing, but economically they seem very open to suggestion. They go along with austerity, but as a 'necessary evil' rather than as an ideology like the Tories do (I know they'd deny that, but see Cameron's infamous Endless Austerity speech to illustrate my point). They haven't expressed much preference either way on issues such as the involvement of the private sector in the NHS. As far as the economy goes, they seem interested in one-off issues directly relating to individuals, like increasing the income tax threshold, but there isn't much of a coherent ideological viewpoint that holds any of it together.

    I'm not a Blairite, but he did have a vision and a direction he wanted to take us in. He was a big proponent of the mixed economy model, keeping state ownership but not expanding it and introducing all sorts of private finance initiative and partnerships, contracting out services and the like, in the name of saving money and increasing efficiency. I've never seen the Lib Dems really say that's something they completely believe in and want to pursue.
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    In my opinion they have strong views on social reform, the consitution, that kind of thing, but economically they seem very open to suggestion. They go along with austerity, but as a 'necessary evil' rather than as an ideology like the Tories do (I know they'd deny that, but see Cameron's infamous Endless Austerity speech to illustrate my point). They haven't expressed much preference either way on issues such as the involvement of the private sector in the NHS. As far as the economy goes, they seem interested in one-off issues directly relating to individuals, like increasing the income tax threshold, but there isn't much of a coherent ideological viewpoint that holds any of it together.

    I'm not a Blairite, but he did have a vision and a direction he wanted to take us in. He was a big proponent of the mixed economy model, keeping state ownership but not expanding it and introducing all sorts of private finance initiative and partnerships, contracting out services and the like, in the name of saving money and increasing efficiency. I've never seen the Lib Dems really say that's something they completely believe in and want to pursue.
    Well, i think all the main parties agree with austerity to an extent. Only the mickey mouse parties like the Greens and the SNP want to stop it altogether.

    I think that the lib dems are more focused on keeping their seats atm than making broad ideological plans to be fair.
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    (Original post by KingStannis)
    Well, i think all the main parties agree with austerity to an extent. Only the mickey mouse parties like the Greens and the SNP want to stop it altogether.

    I think that the lib dems are more focused on keeping their seats atm than making broad ideological plans to be fair.
    That's a fair point to make - I only really took an interest in politics in 2010 so I'm not all that familiar with Lib Dem policy in the Blair/Brown years to be honest with you, perhaps in different circumstances they'd show more ambition.
 
 
 
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