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    Jam logic. Conveniently fail to mention Ozil performance in the WC final, the most important game, conveniently fail to mention Ozil playing LW. Conveniently fail to mention Alexis still got 19 goals and 11 assists last season. Also coming to the conclusion that he'll be **** when he got an assist on his debut even though it's his first game, not completely in sync with his team mates yet, not playing with Ozil/Walcott etc, who are vital players in our system.

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    Anyway, should I buy this? Going out on the town next week possibly.

    http://www.asos.com/ASOS/ASOS-Extrem...t=-1&clr=White
    Yeah it's nice.
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    (Original post by CallMeJay)
    Terrible for 12 months!? How naive are you?


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    Not naive.

    **** sake do you watch football?

    Cazorla was terrible last season and so was Wilshere. Therefore terrible for 12 months.

    Inb4 wilshers goal
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    (Original post by TheInvincibles14)
    Jam logic. Conveniently fail to mention Ozil performance in the WC final, the most important game, conveniently fail to mention Ozil playing LW. Conveniently fail to mention Alexis still got 19 goals and 11 assists last season. Also coming to the conclusion that he'll be **** when he got an assist on his debut even though it's his first game, not completely in sync with his team mates yet, not playing with Ozil/Walcott etc, who are vital players in our system.

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    Looooooool

    You're killing me man.

    Sanchez plays with ****ing Messi, Iniesta and others and I accept that he had a good season goal wise. **** sake read my posts on Sanchez before chatting ****. His golazos(sorry qua) mask his overall **** performances. When you finish sucking out urethra juice from Sanchez you can actually see my point of view so we can have a decent conversation.

    All I see from Sanchez is a fast player, got energy and work rate and dribbling ability, his final ball is shocking, he's a more polished version of Gervinho tbh.
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    A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of sheeps
    You're not a lion, you're a pig. "Bacon".

    Shut up Bacon.
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    (Original post by Lyrical Prodigy)
    Yeah it's nice.
    It was a joke
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    (Original post by TheInvincibles14)
    Jam logic. Conveniently fail to mention Ozil performance in the WC final, the most important game, conveniently fail to mention Ozil playing LW. Conveniently fail to mention Alexis still got 19 goals and 11 assists last season. Also coming to the conclusion that he'll be **** when he got an assist on his debut even though it's his first game, not completely in sync with his team mates yet, not playing with Ozil/Walcott etc, who are vital players in our system.

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    Lol I cannot believe you other Arsenal fans even reply to his smack talk. Just ignore him, he is just looking to get a rise.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Looooooool

    You're killing me man.

    Sanchez plays with ****ing Messi, Iniesta and others and I accept that he had a good season goal wise. **** sake read my posts on Sanchez before chatting ****. His golazos(sorry qua) mask his overall **** performances. When you finish sucking out urethra juice from Sanchez you can actually see my point of view so we can have a decent conversation.

    All I see from Sanchez is a fast player, got energy and work rate and dribbling ability, his final ball is shocking, he's a more polished version of Gervinho tbh.
    Sanchez is still an upgrade on what we have in the position he will play in the longer term (LW). A direct threat was needed after what Cazorla was like last season. Ox should be used as back up winger on that position when everyones fit.

    Your mentioning Sanchez final ball but when Ozil is back that it something which will be less of a concern as he will be required to finish for the most part. Something which he is perfectly capable of doing.

    In short, Sanchez and Theo > Hazard and Schurrle/Willian/Salah.





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    Only could watch the first 35 minutes of the game, then had to go for a meal with family/wife

    Thoughts:

    -Got the result.. for early games, thats all that I really care about

    -Not worried about the performance, its early days, start of the season can always be questionable, and we are still missing players, most notably mert, who is one of the biggest leaders in the team (especially defensivly) is not there yet)

    - really want to see some new signings, CDM/DM/CM is an absolute must.

    - overal: 3pts. Move on.
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    (Original post by TheInvincibles14)
    Sanchez is still an upgrade on what we have in the position he will play in the longer term (LW). A direct threat was needed after what Cazorla was like last season. Ox should be used as back up winger on that position when everyones fit.

    Your mentioning Sanchez final ball but when Ozil is back that it something which will be less of a concern as he will be required to finish for the most part. Something which he is perfectly capable of doing.

    In short, Sanchez and Theo > Hazard and Schurrle/Willian/Salah.






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    Nah, Hazard will be the best player in the league in time, inevitability. And ignore Jam's talk, he goes around insulting every other club's players anyway, it's a Chelsea thing.
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    (Original post by Tom_Ford)
    It was a joke
    Well you should have made that clearer
    It was still OK though! :lol:
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    (Original post by TheInvincibles14)

    In short, Sanchez and Theo > Hazard and Schurrle/Willian/Salah.
    You don't watch a lot of football do you?

    You sound like jw when he was trying to argue that Kagawa is better than Eden Hazard two seasons ago. We'll see at the end of the season, but Hazard and Schurrle are a better combo than Sanchez and theo and tbh it's not even a good enough combination for Chelsea imo. Think we're lacking a right winger who can playmake and be a winger as well. I miss Robben man.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Not naive.

    **** sake do you watch football?

    Cazorla was terrible last season and so was Wilshere. Therefore terrible for 12 months.

    Inb4 wilshers goal
    Your logic is that if a player isn't playing substantially better than their previous form they've been terrible. You literally talk out of your ass, mate.


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    (Original post by CallMeJay)
    Your logic is that if a player isn't playing substantially better than their previous form they've been terrible. You literally talk out of your ass, mate.


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    No in fact the point is the exact opposite of your post here.

    You're genuinely the worst poster I've seen on ff.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Looooooool

    You're killing me man.

    Sanchez plays with ****ing Messi, Iniesta and others and I accept that he had a good season goal wise. **** sake read my posts on Sanchez before chatting ****. His golazos(sorry qua) mask his overall **** performances. When you finish sucking out urethra juice from Sanchez you can actually see my point of view so we can have a decent conversation.

    All I see from Sanchez is a fast player, got energy and work rate and dribbling ability, his final ball is shocking, he's a more polished version of Gervinho tbh.
    Kinda true for last season, although I'd rephrase it as "hot and cold" rather than "****" performances. His goal tally is really not something to go by; in a lot of cases his performances weren't as good as the number suggested . Also agree with the assessment in the other posts, but I think it's just as much or more down to the system & role he's assigned to play than to him as a player (or him being 'insufficient' as a player).

    In possession-based teams, the players put out wide will always be more likely to face an organised wall of defenders, and that makes it hard for pretty much every player (not just Alexis) to provide the full package of taking on defenders & breaking through the line, creating their own scoring chances AND finishing them. So regardless of who you play there at a team like Arsenal (and of his pricetag/name), expecting him to excel at all those things is asking too much. Most players (cf. Villa at Barcelona) will either do the one thing & help create chances for others or the other, relying on good collective play around the box. With Alexis this is especially problematic because per se, in any system, he isn't really the best at creating chances for himself; so naturally on the wing it will only be worse.

    Means that if you want to be able to rely on him as a scoring threat from the wing, you'd need a lot of creative output through the centre in the advanced area of the field, so that the chances are created for him and he's able to just poach goals. To get him to do what he does best (which means less goals then most on here expect from him), you'd need to give him a free role e.g. somewhere in the middle or as a second support striker.


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    tl;dr Don't think it's not about Alexis being generally "****" against teams that don't play a high line, just about where & how he's used.
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    (Original post by qua)
    Kinda true for last season, although I'd rephrase it as "hot and cold" rather than "****" performances. His goal tally last season is really not something to go by and in a lot of cases his performances weren't as good as the number suggested . Also agree with the assessment in the other posts, but I think it's just as much down to the system & role he's assigned to play as to him as a player (or him being 'insufficient' as a player).

    In possession-based teams, the players put out wide will always be more likely to face an organised wall of defenders, and that makes it hard for pretty much every player (not just Alexis) to provide the full package of taking on defenders & breaking through the line, creating their own scoring chances AND finishing them. So regardless of who you play there at a team like Arsenal (and his pricetag), expecting him to excel at all those things is asking a too much. Most players (cf. Villa at Barcelona) will either do the one thing & help create chances for others or the other, relying on good collective play around the box. With Alexis this is especially problematic because per se, in any system, he isn't really the best at creating chances for himself; so naturally on the wing it will only be worse.

    Means that if you want to be able to rely on him as a scoring threat from the wing, you'd need a lot of creative output through the centre in the advanced area of the field, so that the chances are created for him and he's able to just poach goals. To get him to do what he does best (which means less goals then most on here expect from him), you'd need to give him a free role e.g. somewhere in the middle or as a second support striker.


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    tl;dr Don't think it's not about Alexis being generally "****" against teams that don't play a high line, just about where & how he's used.

    qua, I would drag my balls through miles of broken glass, just to hear you fart through a walkey-talkey.
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    Sanchez was the best player in Serie A for Udinese
    Sanchez was one of the player of the tournament at the WC
    Sanchez was arguably Barca's best player last season
    Guardiola, Wenger, Rodgers and Juve all think he's mustard


    But some random fella on a student forum reckons he's **** innit so what does that all matter, let's focus on a 12 month period when he was poor.

    His final ball probably is sub par but so was Freddy Ljungberg and Overmars' and they're PL legends ! He's more of a forward than a winger anyway.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Sanchez was the best player in Serie A for Udinese
    Sanchez was one of the player of the tournament at the WC
    Sanchez was arguably Barca's best player last season
    Guardiola, Wenger, Rodgers and Juve all think he's mustard


    But some random fella on a student forum reckons he's **** innit so what does that all matter, let's focus on a 12 month period when he was poor.

    His final ball probably is sub par but so was Freddy Ljungberg and Overmars' and they're PL legends ! He's more of a forward than a winger anyway.
    I'm sure if Messi signed for us these same people would be complaining that he would not be able to handle the cold rainy nights at the Britannia :rolleyes:.
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    (Original post by qua)
    Kinda true for last season, although I'd rephrase it as "hot and cold" rather than "****" performances. His goal tally last season is really not something to go by and in a lot of cases his performances weren't as good as the number suggested . Also agree with the assessment in the other posts, but I think it's just as much down to the system & role he's assigned to play as to him as a player (or him being 'insufficient' as a player).
    Tbh I was just trolling with the **** comment. Wouldn't have said he had a good last season then go back on my word so quickly in saying he scored good goals to mask **** performances.

    In possession-based teams, the players put out wide will always be more likely to face an organised wall of defenders, and that makes it hard for pretty much every player (not just Alexis) to provide the full package of taking on defenders & breaking through the line, creating their own scoring chances AND finish them. So regardless of who you play there at a team like Arsenal, expecting him to excel at all those things is asking a too much, regardless of the pricetag. Most players (cf. Villa at Barcelona) will either do the one thing & help create chances for others or the other, relying on good collective play around the box. With Alexis this is especially problematic because per se, in any system, he isn't really the best at creating chances for himself; so naturally on the wing it will only be worse.
    I guess so with this, there are runners and there are creators. I don't think he's that amazing in either but you could probably get him to do one of the two rules and change mid game. You say he's best as creator in the middle but majority of the time I just see poor final balls even though he's good in his buildup play before the final bit in the box. He's a handful for a defender though tbf and I agree that he tries too much. It does mean that every now and again he'll score a wondergoal though.

    Means that if you want to be able to rely on him as a scoring threat from the wing, you'd need a lot of creative output through the centre in the advanced area of the field (from the mf) and enable him to just poach goals, and if you want him to create or just do what he does best, you'd need to give him a free role e.g. somewhere in the middle or as a second striker.
    Just noticed I've essentially paraphrased this on him being a creator or a finisher/runner but should not be both. I agree. There are players capable of both though. Messi and Bale e.g. I just think that Sanchez is a jack of all trades attacking mid.

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    tl;dr Don't think it's not about Alexis being generally "****" against teams that don't play a high line, just about where & how he's used.
    Do you think Barcelona utilised him and got anywhere near his potential overall? E.g. he played better when Messi was out. Can you mention any great performances from Sanchez vs parked buses at Barca and his role then? Whether he was a creator or not?

    I have a feeling that Sanchez will suffer similar problems to what he encountered at Barca.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Sanchez was the best player in Serie A for Udinese
    Sanchez was one of the player of the tournament at the WC
    Sanchez was arguably Barca's best player last season
    Guardiola, Wenger, Rodgers and Juve all think he's mustard


    But some random fella on a student forum reckons he's **** innit so what does that all matter, let's focus on a 12 month period when he was poor.

    His final ball probably is sub par but so was Freddy Ljungberg and Overmars' and they're PL legends ! He's more of a forward than a winger anyway.
    but who was Messi?
 
 
 
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