The Israel/Palestine Conflict Mk. IV

You are blind to reality if you believe the USA is turning against Israel.

An I to take this to mean you can't?

Like a great big warship, they are. It may take them a bit of time to turn around, but they are fed up with their "Israeli problem".

First there was the debacle over John Kerry and the hoohah of leaked transcripts and whatnot.

And now the Israeli shelling of a UN school which they have unequivocally condemned...

The tide is turning, slowly but surely...

Provided all political parties are strictly secular, i dont believe this to be a bad idea.

You are blind to reality if you believe the USA is turning against Israel.

Having trouble understanding what you mean here.

There is no need for any party to run on a secular ticket.



Oh, I assure you, they will agree to it...

The relationship between the USA and Israel goes far far deeper than what is shown in public.

I was referring more to his methods, rather than his opinions..

Its still not plausible, its essentially Israel giving up masses of power to a small area that has little to none. Like I said, the only plausible solution is for the Palestinians to conform.

You can hardly say that their support isn't waining somewhat, especially given what Israel is doing. They're kind enough to condemn the actions of Israel along with the rest of the world and the public support is particularly high.



You're asked to explain something and fail to do so, surely if you were capable of explaining you would have done so.

The dirty laundry is being aired in public. It's a start.

Congress is falling over itself to condemn HAMAS but the President goes and condemns Israel. I wouldn't be surprised if before the end of his term, BO has completely cut ties with Israel if they keep acting like this.



You can't pick and choose.

The dirty laundry is being aired in public. It's a start.

Congress is falling over itself to condemn HAMAS but the President goes and condemns Israel. I wouldn't be surprised if before the end of his term, BO has completely cut ties with Israel if they keep acting like this.



You can't pick and choose.



It's a one state solution. How would it involve "Israel giving up masses of power to a small area"?



It would be undemocratic...



That's the purpose of democracy, no? Majority rule and all that?

As I said, you can't pick and choose only when it suits you. That's just hypocrisy...

I feel to stop responding to you, i feel you have a dream scenario where the USA turns against Israel, cannot stress how false this statement is.

As a final response, its not undemocratic to have secular parties only, its undemocratic to have parties that favour one religion over another. (See the definition of Democracy, and youll find parties have to be secular for a country to be deemed democratic legitimately)

The USA will always condemn actions as a means to improve their public image, i responded to that in a previous post.

I mentioned Gandhi in response to you saying there are no other means other than violence to achieve negotiation, Gandhi proves that point wrong, i didnt need to explain it.

Like a great big warship, they are. It may take them a bit of time to turn around, but they are fed up with their "Israeli problem".

First there was the debacle over John Kerry and the hoohah of leaked transcripts and whatnot.

And now the Israeli shelling of a UN school which they have unequivocally condemned...

The tide is turning, slowly but surely...

But similarly I can point to the USA and say that's proof that violence works. I can point to assorted places and say that it's proof peace doesn't work. You can't just point to Ghandi and the independence of India because they're completely different circumstances. The Post-War UK government was one that was highly supportive of de-colonisation and given that India was rather a thorn in the side it made sense to deal with it.
The 1952 Tory government was very much against it so it slowed down, they felt that the Empire was rather important, but the 1960 Macmillan government decided decolonisation was a good idea, especially given the problems the French were having with their African colonies.
London held the cards, London called the blows largely at the behest of the populace.
If Hamas were to drop their weapons would the Israeli population call for the recognition of the State of Palestine? If they did, would the government do so? In both cases, I think not.


And the USA may condemn actions for its own image, but it can only supply a state it condemns the actions of for so long before their words become meaningless.

Their words are meaningless, like I said, whatever is said in public doesnt reflect the private relations between the two nations at all. All the USA has done is condemn the deaths of civilians, which they have to do.

The USA has supplied Israel through decades of this already. Israel has as much influence on the USA as vice versa, the two countries go hand in hand.

Nice of you to now ignore the part that you know you have lost.
So tell me, why would Israel suddnely listen, you can't use the fall of the British Empire to support your argument because it had reached the end of the line like all Empires before it, which would you rather do, let the empire go peacefully or get into yet another series of wars after your country and military was recovering from the biggest war in history?

Now, tell me, the US publicly condemns actions, continues to supply, condemns more, continues to supply, and this keeps happening over and over. the US loses the slight moral high ground it could have claimed to have and their standings in the eyes of the world go down; they know war crimes are being repeatedly committed, they condemn the war crimes a lot of the time, yet they still continue to offer the supplies so more war crimes can be committed. Tell me, at what point does the increase in trade stop being worth the funny looks?

The USA lost the moral high ground years ago, theyre still the most powerful nation in the world, in public they act like it effects them, in reality they really do not care as no one can stand up to them.

The dream some people have on here that people believe the USA controls Israel entirely, or that they will suddenly support Hamas is an absolute joke, and a pointless discussion to have.

That they're the most powerful could be called into question by China, but that's irrelevant. And the US may be an economic powerhouse, but without trade it would be nowhere.
But please, if you really do believe that peace will lead to negotiation explain why. Until you do so I shall hold them as empty words being used purely to start an argument.