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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    At no point did I say you supported them or considered supernatural belief valid. What I described was simply the alternative. Still, if we're going to start taking sides based on saying one sides belief is a fairytale, then pretty much everyone except muslims and jews shouldn't be arguing this.

    Eh, it's not diverting the topic, unless you were diverting the topic when you asked why non-religious people would support Israel. I've got nothing to do with Mossad or Israel, but if you'd prefer to accuse people of being mossad shills rather than debate the points, that's up to you.
    You don't understand my point.

    The natives of that land have been displaced and discriminated against because immigrants from Europe believe they have a divine right to that land. I would be saying exactly the same thing if France or England was the "promised" land and the people there were being subjected to apartheid.

    You can be stubborn all you want but there's irrefutable evidence of the Israelis purposely keeping Gaza near breakdown levels, targeting civilians and of course maintaining an apartheid regime in the occupied West Bank.

    If people begin to resist and become radicalised under these cruel circumstances then do not be surprised. I certainly would and so would you.
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    You don't understand my point.



    You can be stubborn all you want but there's irrefutable evidence of the Israelis purposely keeping Gaza near breakdown levels, targeting civilians and of course maintaining an apartheid regime in the occupied West Bank.

    If people begin to resist and become radicalised under these cruel circumstances then do not be surprised. I certainly would and so would you.
    Do you mind providing this irrefutable evidence that the Israelis are purposely keeping Gaza near breakdown levels, purposely targeting civilians and also maintaining an apartheid ​regime in the occupied West Bank. Irrefutable evidence.
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    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    New ceasefire. I wonder how long until Hamas breaks it as usual

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/28596609
    They broke it by firing a rocket. Israel responded.

    They fired a mortar 2 hours after the ceasefire, it landed within Gaza
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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    They broke it by firing a rocket. Israel responded.

    They fired a mortar 2 hours after the ceasefire, it landed within Gaza
    Wow, it's still up. I'm amazed.
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    Rocket alert sirens sounded in the Beer Sheba region on Friday afternoon.

    Earlier on Friday morning, a planned 72-hour ceasefire went into effect, however it was quickly broken.



    So much for that. At least the world sees who keeps breaking the ceasefire.
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    Burp,

    The more Israel kills the more political advantage Hamas gets.

    To take down Hamas or to take down tunnels or to take down rockets, whatever they eliminate it would be just temporarily. hamas, the rockets and the tunnels would be up in no time.

    Hamas won't accept a ceasefire until Israel end the blockade. Rockets will be fired and more Palestinians will be kil- martyred. Chirp all you like, but very soon Israel will lose the sympathy of the world.

    Gazains live in Gaza not by choice. What preceded everything? Israel's occupation and driving out of Palestinians. Even if you debunk this you cannot deny that before 1940 there were less than 100k people in Gaza. Now its almost two million. Whatever you say, these Palestinians have a right to go back to their homeland. To Israel.
    Until then rockets will be fired , civilians will be martyed and Israel will continue to hunt for tunnels.


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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    Rocket alert sirens sounded in the Beer Sheba region on Friday afternoon.

    Earlier on Friday morning, a planned 72-hour ceasefire went into effect, however it was quickly broken.



    So much for that. At least the world sees who keeps breaking the ceasefire.
    Did Hamas accept the ceasefire?
    or was it just a pause in the massacre?

    Do you fear rocket sirens or do you fear missiles coming at you more?

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    (Original post by miavdbt)
    Um, no.
    America would be far better off making friends of the Arabs than the Israeli's.

    Let's face it, there are a lot of them in that region and they control most of the natural resources in that region.

    It is inevitable that the Israeli state shall cease to exist within the 30-40 years...
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    America would be far better off making friends of the Arabs than the Israeli's.

    Let's face it, there are a lot of them in that region and they control most of the natural resources in that region.

    It is inevitable that the Israeli state shall cease to exist within the 30-40 years...
    Except they won't be making friends with the Arabs. There is too much bad history there, not to mention that America is not interested in being equal with the Arabs. This would mean the Arabs would be able to jack up their oil prices. It's much better if America keeps the Arab states subjugated and under constant conflict so it doesn't risk them becoming anywhere near as powerful as the US of A.

    It's not in America's interest for Israel to cease to exist as a state. I reiterate once again, also because of security. America doesn't want to see the rise of extremist Islam if there isn't a country in the middle East to keep the jihad islamists at bay. Which, by the way, is what Israel is doing.
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    (Original post by Meenglishnogood)
    Ghandi lived in india , not palestine.
    someone buy this lad a map
    We are examining what he said, not disputing where he lived.
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    Nice to see Israel causing the breakdown of yet another ceasefire...

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    (Original post by TheKingOfTSR)
    Did Hamas accept the ceasefire? or was it just a pause in the massacre? Do you fear rocket sirens or do you fear missiles coming at you more? Posted from TSR Mobile
    Yes they accept the ceasefire. And broke it very quickly.
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    (Original post by miavdbt)
    Except they won't be making friends with the Arabs. There is too much bad history there, not to mention that America is not interested in being equal with the Arabs. This would mean the Arabs would be able to jack up their oil prices. It's much better if America keeps the Arab states subjugated and under constant conflict so it doesn't risk them becoming anywhere near as powerful as the US of A.
    You seem to think that the Americans still "control" the region when in fact, they hardly seem to.

    Let's take a look:

    North Africa is virtually out of American hands with the exception of Egypt whom they only keep onside because of Israel.
    Syria's gone to hell as has Iraq, Iran and Yemen.
    Qatar has a lot pumped in the US economy.
    Turkey is up and coming and relations have somewhat frozen.
    UAE seem to be mostly neutral.
    Jordan doesn't seem too friendly with the US.

    That just leaves Saudi Arabia.

    It's not in America's interest for Israel to cease to exist as a state. I reiterate once again, also because of security. America doesn't want to see the rise of extremist Islam if there isn't a country in the middle East to keep the jihad islamists at bay. Which, by the way, is what Israel is doing.
    The fact is that, unless they want to go around engineering coups of democratically elected governments like they did in the 1950's and 1960's, they are helpless to watch the rise of these nations come into their own.

    As I said, regardless of what America or Israel try to do, short of nuking the region, Israel will cease to exist within the next 30-40 years.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Nice to see Israel causing the breakdown of yet another ceasefire... Posted from TSR Mobile
    Nice try. The whole world know the palestinians broke it.
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    12:22 p.m. A total of 15 rockets and mortar shells have been fired into Israel since the cease-fire took effect at 8 a.m, according to Israel Radio. Seven rockets were successfully intercepted by Iron Dome.


    Despicable entity.
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    (Original post by TheKingOfTSR)
    Burp,

    The more Israel kills the more political advantage Hamas gets.

    Precisely. Hamas doesn't care about its civilians or about the blood of Palestinians being shed. All it cares about is diplomatic leverage. Disgusting.

    To take down Hamas or to take down tunnels or to take down rockets, whatever they eliminate it would be just temporarily. hamas, the rockets and the tunnels would be up in no time.

    That depends. They don't seem to be ****ing around this time. Hamas will be scared ****less for at least a decade after Israel is done with them.

    Hamas won't accept a ceasefire until Israel end the blockade. Rockets will be fired and more Palestinians will be kil- martyred. Chirp all you like, but very soon Israel will lose the sympathy of the world.

    Or the world will see that Hamas is the obstinate one, and realize that the death of every Gazan is the fault of Hamas because it tries to set conditions when it's the losing side. Whoever has heard of such a thing?

    Gazains live in Gaza not by choice. What preceded everything? Israel's occupation and driving out of Palestinians. Even if you debunk this you cannot deny that before 1940 there were less than 100k people in Gaza. Now its almost two million. Whatever you say, these Palestinians have a right to go back to their homeland. To Israel.

    Gazans wanted to live in Gaza without Israelis and had the Israelis kicked out. Now they want to live in Israel WITH the Israelis? Why should the Israelis let them into Israel, when the Gazans refused to let the Israelis into Gaza since 2005? Israeli homes and settlements were destroyed to please them and the result was Hamas.

    Until then rockets will be fired , civilians will be martyed and Israel will continue to hunt for tunnels.

    There is a reason why Hitler did what he did.


    Yeah, he was a psychotic moron. He also murdered homosexuals, gypsies, slavs, disabled people and anyone who was not a straight, healthy Aryan German he could get his hands on. If you think Arabs would have been spared, you're sadly mistaken.

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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    Yes they accept the ceasefire. And broke it very quickly.
    Why do you think Hamas would want to break the ceasefire?
    And are you scared of rocket sirens? You know what they are right?

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    Report on ITV news that Hamas tried to kidnap a soldier during the truce
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    Is Hamas a unified group? Since the Israeli's have now said they accept the 3 teenage boys killed may not have been killed by Hamas but a rogue splinter group/cell, is Hamas as a governing entity really in control of all the men with rockets scattered around the place? It seems illogical for Hamas to willingly break it so quickly tbh.
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    (Original post by TheKingOfTSR)
    And are you scared of rocket sirens? You know what they are right?

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    A prelude to a rocket strike, yes.
 
 
 
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