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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    12:22 p.m. A total of 15 rockets and mortar shells have been fired into Israel since the cease-fire took effect at 8 a.m, according to Israel Radio. Seven rockets were successfully intercepted by Iron Dome.


    Despicable entity.
    According to the ToI, the IAF broke the humanitarian ceasefire (08:21 report) by bombing the strip a couple of minutes after the ceasefire came into effect.
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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    A prelude to a rocket strike, yes.
    Can the system be fooled? Can it have been a false alarm?

    Do you have evidence that the rockets that HAMAS supposedly fired after the ceasefire were either intercepted or caused some kind of damage after they landed?
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    You seem to think that the Americans still "control" the region when in fact, they hardly seem to.

    Let's take a look:

    North Africa is virtually out of American hands with the exception of Egypt whom they only keep onside because of Israel.

    Syria's gone to hell as has Iraq, Iran and Yemen

    Divide and conquer, this is an example of divide and conquer. These countries will not be strong and united and they will not present a threat to the USA. Let's not forget the US has dabbled with at least two of these previously.

    Qatar has a lot pumped in the US economy

    Why do you think that is?


    Turkey is up and coming and relations have somewhat frozen.
    ​True, though it being a democracy I blame that on the current President. The last one was keen on seeing Turkey in the EU, this one not so much. So, there will always be changing relations with Turkey.

    UAE seem to be mostly neutral.

    Specifically the UAE is heavily influenced by the West, including the US. It can't afford to fall out of favor with the West because much of its trade and sustenance (at least when it comes to Dubai) is dependent on the West. Thus, it'll never do much to support Israel, yes, because that would be suicide, but it also won't do much to support Hamas.

    That being said, it has sent plenty of humanitarian aid to Gaza.

    However, it has also cracked down on Muslim Brotherhood factions within the UAE, as well as any other signs of terrorism. Plus, it has stated that if a peace deal with Israel and Palestine is achieved, it will resume diplomatic relations with Israel.

    Jordan doesn't seem too friendly with the US.

    That just leaves Saudi Arabia.



    The fact is that, unless they want to go around engineering coups of democratically elected governments like they did in the 1950's and 1960's, they are helpless to watch the rise of these nations come into their own.

    ​Many of the countries in the Middle East are not democracies. They don't need to be pulling coups to create unrest and division.

    The US needs a divided Middle East under constant conflict. To them, that is what Israel is. As long as Israel is there, it will always be an eyesore to countries in the Middle East. Division and conflict won't cease.

    Again, security as well.


    As I said, regardless of what America or Israel try to do, short of nuking the region, Israel will cease to exist within the next 30-40 years.
    o

    The US has a way of making things go its way. Israel won't cease to exist in the next thirty to forty years, unless the US ceases to exist in the next thirty to forty years.


    To be honest, with what's going on in the world right now, I would not be surprised if we see nuclear war in the next 30 - 40 years.

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    (Original post by joey11223)
    Is Hamas a unified group? Since the Israeli's have now said they accept the 3 teenage boys killed may not have been killed by Hamas but a rogue splinter group/cell, is Hamas as a governing entity really in control of all the men with rockets scattered around the place? It seems illogical for Hamas to willingly break it so quickly tbh.
    They do control Gaza pretty much. I mean, they even enforce haircuts on men.

    Islamic Jihad is an Iranian proxy and they have in the past operated without the full consent of Hamas. They share the same ideology as Hamas, so there won't be a confrontation there, but Hamas does sometimes have to negotiate with Islamic Jihad.

    You see Iran can turn on and off Islamic Jihad like a tap. If Iran doesn't want a ceasefire, they'll just instruct Islamic Jihad to open fire.
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    (Original post by miavdbt)
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    1. Diplomatic leverage in exchange of the lives of Palestinians (we call them martyrs - the most noblest of ways to die) is okay.
    2. Palestinians do not fear much. They have tolerated Israeli massacres and they do not fear death. They would easily form a new hamas, fire rockets and dig tunnels.
    3. Israel has no right to reject the entry of Palestinians into their lands. It was the Palestinians' in the first place. Even if the Palestinians left by choice, still this doesn't deny them the right to return back to the homes and lands of their grandfather's and grandmum's.
    On the other hand Israel has no right to invade Gaza and no right for the settlement. It isn't their rightful land. Their existence in the ME only destables the region and they should go/giveupland if peace is to be restored. But the US doesn't want peace in the ME so...

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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    According to the ToI, the IAF broke the humanitarian ceasefire (08:21 report) by bombing the strip a couple of minutes after the ceasefire came into effect.
    After a mortar was fired.

    Some reports are saying a "serious incident" took place.

    Look like Hamas mounted an attack of some sort straight after the ceasefire to catch Israel off guard.
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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    After a mortar was fired.

    Some reports are saying a "serious incident" took place.

    Look like Hamas mounted an attack of some sort straight after the ceasefire to catch Israel off guard.
    Lol. Just lol.

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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    A prelude to a rocket strike, yes.
    Why do you think Hamas would willingly break the ceasefire? To catch Israel off guard? You think Israel would lover their guard when they fear like.....? to further enrage the Isrealis so that more civilians could be killed? More diplomatic leverage?
    For people like you to spout their hate and strengthen negative views on Hamas?

    Do you fear the siren? A rocket attack? The prelude to it? More than a missile?

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    (Original post by TheKingOfTSR)
    Do you fear the siren? A rocket attack? The prelude to it? More than a missile?

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    (Original post by TheKingOfTSR)
    1. Diplomatic leverage in exchange of the lives of Palestinians (we call them martyrs - the most noblest of ways to die) is okay

    Everyone who supports Hamas and claims that they care about their civilians should have a look at this. This is how these people think. They sacrifice their own just so they look good in the eyes of the world, and like victims because that's the only way these cowards can fight.

    So is every single child who died 'a martyr' ? What if they didn't want to be martyrs? Huh?

    **** Hamas. What government would kill their own for propaganda purposes? A terrorist one.


    2. Palestinians do not fear much. They have tolerated Israeli massacres and they do not fear death. They would easily form a new hamas, fire rockets and dig tunnels.

    I guess when you glorify death, that is easy.

    3. Israel has no right to reject the entry of Palestinians into their lands. It was the Palestinians' in the first place

    It wasn't. It was the Ottoman Empire's, where both Arabs and Jews lived. It was then under the British Mandate. It was then given to create a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Palestinian Arabs couldn't live with the fact that there would be jews next door, and they started a war which they subsequently lost. They've been sore losers ever since.


    Even if the Palestinians left by choice, still this doesn't deny them the right to return back to the homes and lands of their grandfather's and grandmum's

    It does, it's no longer their land. They are not Israelis. They can't just waltz into Israel whenever they please, just like your ordinary Israeli can't waltz into Gaza whenever he/ she pleases.

    On the other hand Israel has no right to invade Gaza and no right for the settlement.

    ​There are no settlements in Gaza since 2005.

    Israel invaded because Hamas was doing a **** job in stopping terrorism, and was putting Israel at risk. It's called self defense and Israel has every right to do it.

    It isn't their rightful land. Their existence in the ME only destables the region and they should go/giveupland if peace is to be restored. But the US doesn't want peace in the ME so...

    ​True, the US doesn't want peace in the ME. It doesn't serve their purpose.

    ​But it is their rightful land. If you're going by historic claim of the land, which you seem to be going by, the Israeli jews were there long before the Arabs, much before the Roman Empire ever existed.

    If you're not, not only were the Israelis given this land after the Ottoman Empire and British Mandate ended, but then they fought a war against the Arabs for it. It most certainly is their land now. And it has been for
    generations, so kicking out all Israelis (civilians as well) would be like repeating History, would it not?

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    I am disgusted by the fact that you think it's okay to kill your own civilians so you look good in the eyes of the media.
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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    Rocket alert sirens sounded in the Beer Sheba region on Friday afternoon.

    Earlier on Friday morning, a planned 72-hour ceasefire went into effect, however it was quickly broken.



    So much for that. At least the world sees who keeps breaking the ceasefire.
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    Wow, it's still up. I'm amazed.
    I spoke too soon.
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    From Haaretz today. Despite their hype and denials, the IDF are up to their usual game of attacking civilians, UN offices and 'delicate' targets with abandoned ferocity, indifferent both to world opinion and military logic.

    MI (military intelligence) failed to uncover the Hamas command centre and locate the hiding place of its commanders. Senior IDF officers boasted during the first days of Operation Protective Edge of huge achievements, of striking a mortal blow at Hamas, of signs the enemy was breaking. But Mohammed Deif and his men continue to control their forces, launch rockets at Israel and attack IDF troops even in the fourth week of the fighting.
    Absent high-quality intelligence and battle plans, the IDF chose the Operation Cast Lead solution – massive fire at populated zones, with major harm to civilians. The number of Palestinian dead has reached 1,400, most of them civilians. Hundreds of thousands have become refugees; many homes have been destroyed.
    Despite the cloak of legal approval with which the army covers itself, it is hard to be persuaded that a real effort has been made to limit harm to the innocent, to maintain the morality of the fighting, and to avoid deepening the hatred of our neighbors, next to whom we will have to live when the weapons fall silent.
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    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    I spoke too soon.
    Hmm..so you just need to turn on the sirens and then tada! Hamas broke ceasefire :rolleyes:

    And are you scared of sirens too?

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    (Original post by TheKingOfTSR)
    And are you scared of sirens too?
    It would probably make me jump if one went off where it normally wouldn't.
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    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    It would probably make me jump if one went off where it normally wouldn't.
    What about missiles? Would they make you jump?

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    (Original post by miavdbt)
    Divide and conquer, this is an example of divide and conquer. These countries will not be strong and united and they will not present a threat to the USA. Let's not forget the US has dabbled with at least two of these previously.
    Why would they "pose a threat" to the US if the US has done nothing to "pose a threat"? Are you insinuating that the US has done something wrong in the region for these countries to "pose a threat"?

    Why do you think that is?
    It makes money?

    ​True, though it being a democracy I blame that on the current President. The last one was keen on seeing Turkey in the EU, this one not so much. So, there will always be changing relations with Turkey.
    Early polls put him to win on August 10 barring any major mishaps.

    Specifically the UAE is heavily influenced by the West, including the US. It can't afford to fall out of favor with the West because much of its trade and sustenance (at least when it comes to Dubai) is dependent on the West. Thus, it'll never do much to support Israel, yes, because that would be suicide, but it also won't do much to support Hamas.

    That being said, it has sent plenty of humanitarian aid to Gaza.

    However, it has also cracked down on Muslim Brotherhood factions within the UAE, as well as any other signs of terrorism. Plus, it has stated that if a peace deal with Israel and Palestine is achieved, it will resume diplomatic relations with Israel.
    Appearences can be deceiving. UAE is "like a whore". Have enough money and you can purchase whatever you like...

    Many of the countries in the Middle East are not democracies. They don't need to be pulling coups to create unrest and division.

    The US needs a divided Middle East under constant conflict. To them, that is what Israel is. As long as Israel is there, it will always be an eyesore to countries in the Middle East. Division and conflict won't cease.

    Again, security as well.

    The US doesn't need a divided ME. Too many cooks and all that...

    The US has a way of making things go its way. Israel won't cease to exist in the next thirty to forty years, unless the US ceases to exist in the next thirty to forty years.
    The US is not dependent on Israel but the same cannot be said vice-versa. If the US and Western allies were to pull the rug from beneath Israel, I could assure you that the other countries in that region would not hesitate to press forth their advantage and get rid of the "Israeli problem"...

    To be honest, with what's going on in the world right now, I would not be surprised if we see nuclear war in the next 30 - 40 years.
    Hmm, if Israel lets one rip, then they have effectively killed half of their Jewish population, so they won't but as you say, there may be a cold nuclear war in a couple of years.
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    (Original post by miavdbt)

    I am disgusted by the fact that you think it's okay to kill your own civilians so you look good in the eyes of the media.
    I guess you're right. Hamas needs to go :yy:

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    (Original post by Pinzgauer)
    After a mortar was fired.

    Some reports are saying a "serious incident" took place.

    Look like Hamas mounted an attack of some sort straight after the ceasefire to catch Israel off guard.
    The IAF bombed the strip a couple of minutes AFTER the 72 hour ceasefire came into effect.
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    (Original post by TheKingOfTSR)
    What about missiles? Would they make you jump?
    Again, probably if it wasn't a usual occurrence. Probably not a water rocket though.
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    (Original post by tsr1269)
    The IAF bombed the strip a couple of minutes AFTER the 72 hour ceasefire came into effect.
    Not according to the media I'm reading.

    It looks like Hamas mounted an attack and kidnapped a soldier. The time line on Jpost suggest this took place before artillery strikes.
 
 
 
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