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    (Original post by Vodkaslur)
    As you are from this country ? The country owns this country so if you don't like it you may leave lol ?

    All this .. "No football shirts in pubs" and the fact we hardly celebrate St. Georges day may be a cause of this perhaps?

    I did that pledge when I earned my citizenship... though I'm agnostic I swore to God. then i felt a little bit more british deep inside...
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    (Original post by majikthise)
    I identify myself with one who lives in the geographical area known as England, and acknowledge some small degree of affinity to other people living here, but would rather have nothing to do with the state whatsoever.
    Yeah most people feel like this which is so sad.
    This is why immigrants come in and build their own countries and cultures within England - not that it's a bad thing but it's not England anymore is it ?
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    Sorry Tut.exe, I saw you quoted me but all I can look at is that annoying little buggg running around in your reply
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    I was thinking about this the other day..My school doesn't force us to do it, but the teacher is required to so as to set an example and encourage us to. I'm one of the few people in my first hour class who refuses to stand up and recite it (typically, a student will say it over the loudspeaker).
    Three reasons I dont say it:

    1) I am half British and therefore will not pledge my alligience to Uncle Sam
    2) I don't have an ounce of patriotism in my blood
    3) I'm not religious

    Perhaps if they took the "under god" part out of it, I would consider saying it. But I'm graduating in a couple weeks so I really don't care anymore.
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    (Original post by Vodkaslur)
    Yeah most people feel like this which is so sad.
    This is why immigrants come in and build their own countries and cultures within England - not that it's a bad thing but it's not England anymore is it ?
    ********, of course it's still "England". And perhaps immigrants would integrate better if there wasn't so much stigma.
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    inb4 Pledge of Allegience was written by a Socialist...
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    -I am not British at all .. I have a Romanian passport in fact.
    -I'm not particulary patriotic
    -I'm an atheist

    I still think it's a brilliant idea as Britain needs patriotism .. I guess too many foreigners and ASBOS and other rebels would refuse thoughhhh
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    (Original post by majikthise)
    ********, of course it's still "England". And perhaps immigrants would integrate better if there wasn't so much stigma.
    Stigma !? The gates are wide ******* open and we're not allowed to complain. There is no stigma.
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    (Original post by vander Beth)
    Yes, you actually can refuse.
    Whenever I don't stand up they make me stand up so no you actually can't
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    (Original post by A short guy)
    Whenever I don't stand up they make me stand up so no you actually can't
    That's at your particular school then, at others it is not compulsory. As was mentioned by another American poster (l.arkley)
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    (Original post by A short guy)
    Whenever I don't stand up they make me stand up so no you actually can't
    Just tell them they can't make you, Christ.
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    The whole debate about whether you can refuse or not - it varies by school district/principal/teacher
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    The US pledge of allegiance was thought up by a nazi who also made US schoolchildren give the Nazi salute:



    This latter aspect was only removed in 1942 when the war made it impolitic.

    Britain has tended to be more wary of its governments.
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    (Original post by Vodkaslur)
    As you are from this country ? The country owns this country so if you don't like it you may leave lol ?

    All this .. "No football shirts in pubs" and the fact we hardly celebrate St. Georges day may be a cause of this perhaps?

    What are you ON about 'this country owns this country'? I have the right to say or declare whatever the hell I want to and no one can force me to do anything of the sort. And no, I won't ******* leave. We live in a DEMOCRACY with FREEDOM. It's not a case of 'say the oath to the queen or leave'. Try and make me.
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    Not all schools are like England where the students run the classes lol x
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    (Original post by Vodkaslur)
    Sorry Tut.exe, I saw you quoted me but all I can look at is that annoying little buggg running around in your reply
    haha why dont you shoot it
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    (Original post by l.arkley)
    The whole debate about whether you can refuse or not - it varies by school district/principal/teacher
    West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette says nobody has to say it.
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    (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
    What are you ON about 'this country owns this country'? I have the right to say or declare whatever the hell I want to and no one can force me to do anything of the sort. And no, I won't ******* leave. We live in a DEMOCRACY with FREEDOM. It's not a case of 'say the oath to the queen or leave'. Try and make me.
    Urghh so ugly.
    I corrected my mistake underneath.
    Okay you're right I'm wrong. Is that okay for you spoilt brat?

    NAAAAAT

    I never said I'd make you leave you odd person ? Are you okay ? Like are you actually okay ?
    I gave my opinion and you got nasty the only way a bonehead like you knows how to express themselves.
    How sad that we can't kick you out
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    (Original post by Vodkaslur)
    Urghh so ugly.
    I corrected my mistake underneath.
    Okay you're right I'm wrong. Is that okay for you spoilt brat?

    NAAAAAT

    I never said I'd make you leave you odd person ? Are you okay ? Like are you actually okay ?
    I gave my opinion and you got nasty the only way a bonehead like you knows how to express themselves.
    How sad that we can't kick you out
    According to his flag he lives in Palestine anyway. They're almost as bad as the ones who live in the Spanish Civil War.
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    Sigh, there isn't anything that I really see as a problem. Most places allow you to refuse if you want. You talk about patriotism as if it were a bad thing. It's sad really you would think that you would want to support your country even if you don't agree with the legal system or the current pm / president. I guess it is just something that I do not understand, I realize what it took to create this country, maybe it's because I grew up in a military family
 
 
 
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