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    Actually after the tory governments this country has been in no debt what so ever. The only reason tony blair did so well was because he inherited a masterpeice from ken clarke and john major.
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    (Original post by Caspa)
    the public sector lets start on that, every government since the 70s has been bloating that, so its a tory and labour party issue

    the NHS under the last tory was bad, 18 month waiting list, very under funded

    A Jeremy Kyle culture- scroungers
    sounds like the normal daily mail sun newspaper stuff

    fee depends where you stand on them, student should pay something toward their uni education

    Racism on the increase
    again sounds like daily mail sun newspaper, if you think we have a racism issue god knows what you think of the 70s and 80s, 1981 Brixton riot

    Poverty increase, that not true, its been going down still not great

    Selling Gold reserves at rock bottom prices, he was damn if he and damn if he didn't, i take you don't care that Thatcher sold off the country at a rock bottom price, the trains, gas and all that sold off cheap

    Millennium Dome Project, did it fail?
    seems to still be there, not something you can really blame a government on

    Olympics, well you pick a city not a country, london has more too offer

    education still needs reform, better than it was in the 80s

    again MP's expenses is not a government issue is a house issue, all sides where as bad as each other

    yay lets tax the bank, shocking really for a free market loving party to place a tax on the banks

    ID cards it never happen, everyone carrys ID anyway like a driving licence

    the war was both right and wrong, it is right ot get rid of the worlds most evil people, and "free" people



    we could also look at debt which was higher under the last tory government, it was only till 2008 did it really got up because of the bail out, something the tories where against, around 2007 the tory party was calling for less banking regulations

    all the parties are as bad as each other, tthey liar there way into power and we fall for it, you can name countless things labour have done wrong and right, you can name countless things the tories have done wrong who not forgetting had 2 recession, one they caused
    ALL politians want power and will bribe the electorate with big spending promises in order to get votes. The good thing about the last election is no party actually won, thats why we have a the tories and liberals working together and so far this is working reasonably well and keeping the extremes of both parties firmly in their box.

    If Ed Milliband takes the Labour party to the left they will be out of power for a generation. Labour needs to appeal to all parts of the population not just the left wing minority.
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    I can say for sure what is going to ahppen:

    1) The conservatives will rule for abit because everyone was dissapointed with Liebour.

    2) Liebour will eventually get in power again and everyone will think that Ed Milliband will amke the country great again.

    3) After a few months people will realise it won't happen. They will stay in power until we are told by the press to vote for someone else, well for people who are easily manipulated by the press.

    4)Eventually conservatives will get in power, and the same happens over and over again, until one day the lib dems will take charge and turn the country into something that nobody wants, infact it may just feel like the conservates are incharge........................ ...........

    I KNOW WHO I'M VOTING FOR NEXT TIME.
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    (Original post by AskMeAnything)
    Exactly, the conservative plan is far more progressive.

    If you earn over 21k, you start paying it back. You pay absolute zero until you are - yet, those who put the graft in and do well from their degree (and probably paid 9 grand for uni) will be able to pay it back more quickly.

    A flat graduate tax is not only a tax on aspiration, but a tax on success. We already have a 50% tax band - that's 50p in every single pound earned over 150k. Some of the suggested graduate tax numbers are 5% of income! Essentially, you are asking those who have worked hard and graduated with a 1st to pay for those who have not tried very hard and come out with a 3rd.
    Exactly, bloody elitists, lets make the hard working clever *******'s pay through the nose. This is the let wing mantra!!!!
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    (Original post by Blondshavemorefun)
    ALL politians want power and will bribe the electorate with big spending promises in order to get votes. The good thing about the last election is no party actually won, thats why we have a the tories and liberals working together and so far this is working reasonably well and keeping the extremes of both parties firmly in their box.

    If Ed Milliband takes the Labour party to the left they will be out of power for a generation. Labour needs to appeal to all parts of the population not just the left wing minority.
    nick clegg prettty lied to people who elected him, with his constituency a big student vote
    while true its keeping some extremes in a box, these a lot of thing they want to bring in that are a bit backwards, like the new teacher training stuff and school

    he won't take the party left, it will as most move to the centre left, there is no voice for the left, the rate the tories are going the, Mervyn King warned that this government no matter who it was would end up out of government for a generation, the polls are not looking good for the lib dems, the toires are holding aproval ratings of the government are falling
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    (Original post by Blondshavemorefun)
    Exactly, bloody elitists, lets make the hard working clever *******'s pay through the nose. This is the let wing mantra!!!!
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...hing-else.html

    He's a socialist.

    I predict a conservative majority government next election, he's another Foot.
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    (Original post by Caspa)
    nick clegg prettty lied to people who elected him, with his constituency a big student vote
    while true its keeping some extremes in a box, these a lot of thing they want to bring in that are a bit backwards, like the new teacher training stuff and school

    he won't take the party left, it will as most move to the centre left, there is no voice for the left, the rate the tories are going the, Mervyn King warned that this government no matter who it was would end up out of government for a generation, the polls are not looking good for the lib dems, the toires are holding aproval ratings of the government are falling
    Labour lied to students and the rest of the country at least twice (off the top of my head) before two elections promising not to introduce student fees (they did as soon as they were elected) and promising not to raise them (they did again as soon as they were re-elected) no one organised mass protests then. Also just remembered Gordon Brown (who was never elected by anyone to be prime minister) raised taxes on the really low paid (£10k p.a. and under) and it was only stopped when backbenchers made him do a u turn, and again he had promised not to do this when he was chancellor. So the moral is politians lie(omg) however, some are more competent than others when it comes to getting us out of the huge hole we have been left in by the last government.
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    (Original post by Blondshavemorefun)
    Labour lied to students and the rest of the country at least twice (off the top of my head) before two elections promising not to introduce student fees (they did as soon as they were elected) and promising not to raise them (they did again as soon as they were re-elected) no one organised mass protests then. Also just remembered Gordon Brown (who was never elected by anyone to be prime minister) raised taxes on the really low paid (£10k p.a. and under) and it was only stopped when backbenchers made him do a u turn, and again he had promised not to do this when he was chancellor. So the moral is politians lie(omg) however, some are more competent than others when it comes to getting us out of the huge hole we have been left in by the last government.
    before i post anything else we don't elected prime ministers, going by that cameron is a unelected prime minister, john major, Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher and so on

    unless you live in their constituency, you vote for you're local MP, not for the PM, not for a party, you're MP, boy is that argument old and well wrong

    indeed they did liar about many things and where wrong on many things these no point in trying to cover it up, what huge hole is this, we was left with a huge hole from the last tory government, public services where a mess
    the point is that we shouldn't be looking at a tory or lib dem party as these white kinghts riding in to save the day as they are not
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    I like the direcion he's taking-he's been pretty relaxed and understands that this is for the long-haul-we need to react to the way Britian changes as well as simply oppose the ConDem's. Certainly he's been wise to attack the failures of the previous government but also to celebrate the numerious successes.
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    I'm still trying to figure out what happened to Ed Milibands's promise of giving us Labour's spending review/plan for cuts before the Coalition gave theirs.

    Wasn't that more than a month ago now?

    It seems we are forced to conclude he has very little idea what he's doing, and apparently it will take him another 2 years to decide, which seems close to the definition of indecisiveness.
 
 
 
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