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    (Original post by moomin-matt)
    our society, identity and culture are shaped by the work of arts and media graduates.

    someones mickey-mouse course is anothers dream course.

    i dont think a person studying mathematics is going to change my life.
    somebody who maybe studies english and creates a great work of fiction or cinema could have the potential to affect my life.

    it really is all relative.
    Without maths, science and engineering there would be nothing...including art. Maths and science created everything you see.
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    (Original post by The_Great_One)
    No they don't all artists do is crush a can of coke and say *wow look at this crushed can of coke* and get a million pound for it.
    You've heard of my work then?
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    (Original post by The_Great_One)
    No they don't all artists do is crush a can of coke and say *wow look at this crushed can of coke* and get a million pound for it.
    I'm a troll. PAY ATTENTION to me because nobody does in the real world!

    **** off :mfing:
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    Tbh Ive always felt that Universities deviated from their purpose which was academia. I think classical subjects should be funded, whether it be arts or sciences. That said, if you think cutting funding for media, business etc will 'solve' the problem, you are sadly mistaken.
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    I say yes - but give some funding to encourage scholerships within business, hereby enlarging the private sector encouraging growth and allowing media students etc to actually get relevant experiance in a proper workplace.
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    (Original post by Toni42)
    Wouldn't it make more sense to fund degrees to benefit the country, for example medicine and nursing for doctors and nurses. Science degrees are worth more to a country than media studies, as the scientists do the research to further the country, without science we would be living in the stone age, without media studies we might have to survive with a few less tv shows or newspapers. If one had to choose over medicines to save the sick or tv to entertain the lazy, it makes sense to support the scientists. Yes those in media studies may earn more than many scientists but they give back less to society. Sorry for random rant and before I get any neg rating i have lots of friends who wish to do or have done either sciences or media studies.
    I think you really undermine the importance of the media in society. In fact, considering the sheer power of the media, it is, as an entirety, just as important as science subjects. Science may provide the practicalities of progress through physical means, but the media can be powerful enough to control communities and the thoughts of individuals. In fact, most of the developed world is run through media as its medium of communication. I feel you have oversimplified the arguement. This isnt a conflict between medicines and tv shows. The media is much broader, far more complex and if prematurely understood, will truely have a massive impact on societies that unfortunately medicines will not be able to fix.
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    (Original post by Phantom_X)
    I think you really undermine the importance of the media in society. In fact, considering the sheer power of the media, it is, as an entirety, just as important as science subjects. Science may provide the practicalities of progress through physical means, but the media can be powerful enough to control communities and the thoughts of individuals. In fact, most of the developed world is run through media as its medium of communication. I feel you have oversimplified the arguement. This isnt a conflict between medicines and tv shows. The media is much broader, far more complex and if prematurely understood, will truely have a massive impact on societies that unfortunately medicines will not be able to fix.
    repped. The media also of strong political importance where in democracies it functions as a check to the incumbent political ruler; whilst in autocracies and totalitarian regimes the media is used as a tool to sustain support for the incumbent. The sheer degree of influence the media hold is often understated, they literally hold the minds of a lot of people.
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      (Original post by Phantom_X)
      Tbh Ive always felt that Universities deviated from their purpose which was academia. I think classical subjects should be funded, whether it be arts or sciences. That said, if you think cutting funding for media, business etc will 'solve' the problem, you are sadly mistaken.
      In terms of its broad history the university phenomeon pretty much has origins in religious institutions. In time, as secular forces came to challenge religious ones, these institutions developed from their narrowly religious functions to ones which included the study of things like law, philosophy and medicine. Although the process was a drawn out one, the nineteenth century in particular saw the most obvious 'coming of age' of the university as a primarily secular institution for the advance of human knowledge. Capitalism has been catching up, of course, and now the idea of university as a centre for the advance of human knowledge has been usurped by the idea of the university as an instrument of capitalist competition (and, indeed, accumulation - universities have been turning into businesses for some time). It is now popularly understood as an institution where people go to be primed for good jobs and to service the needs of capitalist enterprise. The advance of knowledge still takes place but this has become a secondary concern, servicing capitalism is what the university is now for.
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      (Original post by moomin-matt)
      our society, identity and culture are shaped by the work of arts and media graduates.

      someones mickey-mouse course is anothers dream course.

      i dont think a person studying mathematics is going to change my life.
      somebody who maybe studies english and creates a great work of fiction or cinema could have the potential to affect my life.

      it really is all relative.
      You are using an internet that was developed by maths and physics, using electricity developed by maths and physics, you wouldn't be able to watch a film at the cinema without maths or physics. When you get ill you are treated by science graduates, using technology made by science students. Your car, your clothes, your plane ticket to a foreign holiday, lights, bridges, skyscrapers, antibiotics, hoovers, plumbing, sky TV and so on and on and on are down to science and maths. I appreciate the arts as much as the next reasonable guy - but saying science and maths don't touch your life is breathtakingly ignorant - science has shaped the modern world, and will provide solutions to the problems of the future - as well as shaping the future world with it.
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      (Original post by Oswy)
      In terms of its broad history the university phenomeon pretty much has origins in religious institutions. In time, as secular forces came to challenge religious ones, these institutions developed from their narrowly religious functions to ones which included the study of things like law, philosophy and medicine. Although the process was a drawn out one, the nineteenth century in particular saw the most obvious 'coming of age' of the university as a primarily secular institution for the advance of human knowledge. Capitalism has been catching up, of course, and now the idea of university as a centre for the advance of human knowledge has been usurped by the idea of the university as an instrument of capitalist competition. It is now popularly understood as an institution where people go to be primed for good jobs and to service the needs of capitalist enterprise. The advance of knowledge still takes place but this has become a secondary concern, servicing capitalism is what the university is now for.
      I'm not a socialist but this is completely correct. The fees reforms will only make this problem worse, an increase in fees will make more people pick courses on starting salary and not - as you say the pursuit of knowledge. I worry for the future of important degrees like Biology, Ecology or Philosophy. It's terribly sad really.
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      (Original post by Ashw5)
      not really, im doing Engineering and only got BBC at A level
      That wasn't my point, Engineering is not a Mickey Mouse degree is it?
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      I have no problem with people doing media studies if they are commited to the course and actually want to learn. Part of the problem is some people attending university have close to zero academic interest, and have just gone - at the taxpayers expense - for the lash and the experience.
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        (Original post by Oswy)
        How many of those very wealthy media presenters, writers, producers and technicians and so on do you think did science and maths degrees? Media is a huge industry in the UK, you do know that?
        And how many of them did media studies degrees?
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        Googled. Dermot O'Leary for one.
        How much worth he adds to the UK's cultural scene is debatable, but he seems to have made a career out of it.
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        (Original post by Organ)
        You are using an internet that was developed by maths and physics, using electricity developed by maths and physics, you wouldn't be able to watch a film at the cinema without maths or physics. When you get ill you are treated by science graduates, using technology made by science students. Your car, your clothes, your plane ticket to a foreign holiday, lights, bridges, skyscrapers, antibiotics, hoovers, plumbing, sky TV and so on and on and on are down to science and maths. I appreciate the arts as much as the next reasonable guy - but saying science and maths don't touch your life is breathtakingly ignorant - science has shaped the modern world, and will provide solutions to the problems of the future - as well as shaping the future world with it.
        i would never suggest science or maths dont touch my life. i was trying to say that arts and humanities affect my life just as much or even more on a more obtuse level than maths and sciences.
        and that its all relative to peoples interests and viewpoint and we should not cut any courses
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        (Original post by Phantom_X)
        I think you really undermine the importance of the media in society. In fact, considering the sheer power of the media, it is, as an entirety, just as important as science subjects. Science may provide the practicalities of progress through physical means, but the media can be powerful enough to control communities and the thoughts of individuals. In fact, most of the developed world is run through media as its medium of communication. I feel you have oversimplified the arguement. This isnt a conflict between medicines and tv shows. The media is much broader, far more complex and if prematurely understood, will truely have a massive impact on societies that unfortunately medicines will not be able to fix.
        But then you are looking at the effect of media on group psychology which without science couldn't be analysed. And I do believe psychology can be seen as a science and although media studies may incoropate it to an extend surely doing psychology is far more useful in understanding how the person will react to the communication, individually and as a group.
        I agree media has its place but its a relatively modern degree and in my own opinion not a useful one. Especially considering if one did an A level in media studies some of the top universities would ignore the qualification. Illustrating the respect many proffessionals have for the subject.
        Science can also be seen as more of an approach and a way of thinking that is needed to be used in all subjects to gain benefit from them.
        I realise media can be used to create god like dictatorships such as Mao or Hitler (not suggesting Mao is on the same level as Hitler obviously) but does one really need a degree to understand the use of propaganda when to even do history GCSE you must understand the effects in detail.
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        why do some scientists and mathematicians believe they are far more superior because they can understand equations or figures and theories.
        the complexities of english language, literatures, histories, peoples, music, art are just as interesting, taxing and difficult in study, especially at higher education level.

        the whole argument of media studies degrees or 'mickey-mouse' courses really does irritate me.
        we all have different interests and thirsts for knowledge...the benefits of studying at a university level is to gain a greater knowledge of a subject that is important to you and your interests.
        just because graduates of arts or humanities dont come out of university with a profession in medicine or law doesnt make the time and effort they have spent any less worthwhile or important.
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        (Original post by Complex Simplicity)
        repped. The media also of strong political importance where in democracies it functions as a check to the incumbent political ruler; whilst in autocracies and totalitarian regimes the media is used as a tool to sustain support for the incumbent. The sheer degree of influence the media hold is often understated, they literally hold the minds of a lot of people.
        Media studies as the guardian of freedom, interesting.
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        (Original post by Potiron)
        Googled. Dermot O'Leary for one.
        How much worth he adds to the UK's cultural scene is debatable, but he seems to have made a career out of it.
        Makes it all worthwhile
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        The media represents everything that is wrong with society. People are obsessed with celebrities and when david beckham gets a new haircut hes front page.
       
       
       
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