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    (Original post by SimonSmart)
    What we need are better advised students about their options post A Level. Those that choose to study at University should do so with the aim of securing well paid employment - not guaranteed - but at least with a fighting chance. The hike in fees empower students to demand a better education and be treated like customers. Degrees can then become a credible currency once again and people have a better start to their career rather than flooding the market giving employers the chance to dictate terms!
    Money isnt the only reason people go to university.

    Ya know.. passion for a subject and wishing to further knowledge in that area being another.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Money isnt the only reason people go to university.

    Ya know.. passion for a subject and wishing to further knowledge in that area being another.
    To be honest I think the majority go for the earning potential/career prospects.
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    (Original post by Peteo)
    To be honest I think the majority go for the earning potential/career prospects.
    I agree
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    (Original post by my_username_was_taken)
    Yes, i'm against the tuition fee increase but wouldn't be so against it if a degree was actually worth anywhere near what it used to be.

    The fact is nowadays graduates, even before the recession found it hard to get decent jobs as there are simply not enough jobs for the levels of graduates our universities are manufacturing each year.

    The fact is, people are going to university to do things which they shouldn't be goign to university for, and it may even be disadvantaging them! I mean "fashion make up degrees" i know two people from my school doing these and I think it's just such a waste as they should just do a college, not 3 year degree programme after their A levels! Also things like photography would be far better learning on the job etc...same with floristry degrees!

    People are pushed into university, not overtly, but covertly through the system. At my secondary school we were always basically told that we must do a degree in orderm to be successful etc and this has been drilled into us from an early age which basically pushed people into unievrsity. This has meant people who should not be going (for example someone in my year who has taken his GCSE english about 4 times and failed to get a C grade is doing a foundation degree to get to university!) People like that shouldn't be going!

    I know this sounds elitist, but there is a line between being elitist and being down right stupid and we've crossed that line as we are sending people who should not be there, with terrible grades etc which is not only not benefitting the country in general but DISADVANTAGING THE INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES!

    Soo the real solution and only solution I believe would be to vastly reduce the
    numbers going to university, or create more graduate level jobs some how. I mean isn't it a complete scam people spending 3 years when their is a good chance they'll end up somewhere where you can get with just GCSEs (there are many suppoort workers at my mum's work who are graduates!) The fact they believe it is different to the reality is a scam, and now a VERY EXPENSIVE SCAM!

    Also, our country has a horrible habbit of not appeaciating something when it becomes free. Behaviour in school, and participation rates are an example of this. By paying for things (i'm not saying we should pay for education before higher education) it makes us appreciate it far more and work harder, for example when people have to pay for courses themselves the dropout rate is much lower.

    Maybe the increase in fees will benefit our country as it will reduce the numbers going so the ones who should be going will be attending university, and ensure our top institutions especially are properly funded so we can compete on the world stage.

    I would appreciate any feedback. I know this post isn't really in a good order or whatever it is just my thoughts put down as I wanted to see what people thought.

    Have a great day
    Good degrees aren't devalued.

    If someone chooses to do a degree which doesn't add much to their lifetime earnings thats their problem and they should get over it.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    The simple FACT is more often than not graduate employers dont care as much about university reputation as you think. They care so much more about your CV, experience, your general attitude and interview skills etc. This is obvious and only twatish elitist people would argue.
    But even where the assessors have no sight of the degree or institution you attend there is strong coll elation between success rate and the 'stereotypical league table'.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Ye .. but your post had nothing to do with that?

    You said, with no basis of evidence, no figures or facts and with a very misguided view, that people who dont go to the top uni's will fail. When in fact this is a stupid statement. You clearly know nothing about it and are just basing this assumption on your own opinions.

    The simple FACT is more often than not graduate employers dont care as much about university reputation as you think. They care so much more about your CV, experience, your general attitude and interview skills etc. This is obvious and only twatish elitist people would argue.


    This is massively incorrect.

    Talk to anyone who employs graduates (myself on occassion as part of my work) and the first thing screened out in CV shifts is non top 15 universities and anything lower than a 2.1.

    THEN they go on interview skills, specific assessments and general attitude.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Good degrees aren't devalued.

    If someone chooses to do a degree which doesn't add much to their lifetime earnings thats their problem and they should get over it.

    well spokes




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    I think what we need is less 'media studies' graduates and graduates from similar subjects. More people in Britain come out with Media Studies degrees than there are jobs for in the whole of Europe.
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    (Original post by my_username_was_taken)
    The fact is nowadays graduates, even before the recession found it hard to get decent jobs as there are simply not enough jobs for the levels of graduates our universities are manufacturing each year.
    You're making the assumption that non-graduates have an easier time finding jobs, they don't. Yes there's been a drop in graduate jobs because of the recessions, but there's been an even bigger drop in non-graduate jobs.

    The government has to plan for the long term, and in the long term low-skilled non-graduate jobs are disappearing (most high-skill non-graduate jobs are turning into graduate jobs). Not just in the UK but in every developed country.

    In the long term if the UK doesn't increase the skills of it's workforce it's going to end up with a huge unemployment problem as unskilled jobs are outsourced or replaced by computers. That's why the government is so keen on high university uptake.
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    (Original post by moviebuffateer)
    agreed there are too many graduates. I got a 1st honours degree and ended up in a call centre as the competition is far too big now for the few graduate jobs that are avalaible.

    degrees had high value 15-20 years ago as you stood out but now all a degree does is keeps you on par with everyone else.

    Its interest that friends of mine that did not follow the academic path are much better off.
    They bought houses when the were cheap so now they have 50+k capital they have worked their way up the ladder and are now in senior postitions.
    Yet myself and my other friends who went down the academic path work in standard jobs at the moment and not that we can get a mortage but we now need a mortage that is double to get an equivalent house to friends who worked full-time since leaving school.
    Its interesting you mention your degree class but not what it is or where you got it from.

    How have you managed to get a worse starting job than your non-grad friends did? That must really suck.
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    i think we need to find the job's for graduates.studying is just useless if you didn't allow your self to expose and find job,so why you won't study anymore? this is really true

    The FACT is more often than not graduate employers don't care as much about university reputation as you think. They care so much more about your CV, experience,
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    What is a typical "graduate" job anyway?

    A lot of (what I consider to be) suitable graduate jobs would be seriously threatened if the state decided to cut down on regulation, make our lives a little less paperwork heavy and run a sensible fiscal policy. The banking sector, finance, real estate, the NHS, the public sector in general, defence companies, law, accountancy etc all rely on government handouts/subsidies in one way or another and would disappear if we made genuine improvements to the economy.

    This would expose the yawning gulf between a graduate's perception of a proper job (wearing a suit and making decisions while being backstopped by the state) and society's.

    Of course the smart grads will always be able to make it so everyone on TSR will be ok
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    Yes, everyone knows we need less spotty 19 years old students quoting Adorno and believing they're ever so clever.
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    (Original post by my_username_was_taken)
    Yes, i'm against the tuition fee increase but wouldn't be so against it if a degree was actually worth anywhere near what it used to be.

    The fact is nowadays graduates, even before the recession found it hard to get decent jobs as there are simply not enough jobs for the levels of graduates our universities are manufacturing each year.

    The fact is, people are going to university to do things which they shouldn't be goign to university for, and it may even be disadvantaging them! I mean "fashion make up degrees" i know two people from my school doing these and I think it's just such a waste as they should just do a college, not 3 year degree programme after their A levels! Also things like photography would be far better learning on the job etc...same with floristry degrees!

    People are pushed into university, not overtly, but covertly through the system. At my secondary school we were always basically told that we must do a degree in orderm to be successful etc and this has been drilled into us from an early age which basically pushed people into unievrsity. This has meant people who should not be going (for example someone in my year who has taken his GCSE english about 4 times and failed to get a C grade is doing a foundation degree to get to university!) People like that shouldn't be going!

    I know this sounds elitist, but there is a line between being elitist and being down right stupid and we've crossed that line as we are sending people who should not be there, with terrible grades etc which is not only not benefitting the country in general but DISADVANTAGING THE INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES!

    Soo the real solution and only solution I believe would be to vastly reduce the
    numbers going to university, or create more graduate level jobs some how. I mean isn't it a complete scam people spending 3 years when their is a good chance they'll end up somewhere where you can get with just GCSEs (there are many suppoort workers at my mum's work who are graduates!) The fact they believe it is different to the reality is a scam, and now a VERY EXPENSIVE SCAM!

    Also, our country has a horrible habbit of not appeaciating something when it becomes free. Behaviour in school, and participation rates are an example of this. By paying for things (i'm not saying we should pay for education before higher education) it makes us appreciate it far more and work harder, for example when people have to pay for courses themselves the dropout rate is much lower.

    Maybe the increase in fees will benefit our country as it will reduce the numbers going so the ones who should be going will be attending university, and ensure our top institutions especially are properly funded so we can compete on the world stage.

    I would appreciate any feedback. I know this post isn't really in a good order or whatever it is just my thoughts put down as I wanted to see what people thought.

    Have a great day
    Well said, I couldn't agree with you more.

    It infuriates me when I see silly degrees advertised such as 'Zoology, Fashion designing, Sewing, Team management, etc... etc...'

    Labour was a joke. Not everybody is suited to attending University, hence why we should only have the basic strong subjects advertised 'Maths, Science, English, Law, History, Dentistry, Languages, Geography...'

    Moreover, the entry requirements should be at the VERY LEAST BBB.
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    I have never, in the course of graduate scheme applications this year, met anyone who cared about A level results or what university I attended or its prestige in league tables. In fact the only people I have ever met in real life who cared about league tables were 16 year olds at a universities fair I went to who seemed to think if they went to a university ranked higher than their mates then they were inherently superior human beings.
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    (Original post by FallonSmith)
    Well said, I couldn't agree with you more.

    It infuriates me when I see silly degrees advertised such as 'Zoology, Fashion designing, Sewing, Team management, etc... etc...'

    Labour was a joke. Not everybody is suited to attending University, hence why we should only have the basic strong subjects advertised 'Maths, Science, English, Law, History, Dentistry, Languages, Geography...'

    Moreover, the entry requirements should be at the VERY LEAST BBB.
    You do know that Zoology isn't* a degree in a running a Zoo dont you? and is a science?
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    (Original post by AdzD)
    You do know that Zoology is a degree in a running a Zoo dont you? and is a science?
    Sorry, under Science I meant the strong Sciences: Biology, Chemistry, Physics
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    (Original post by FallonSmith)
    Sorry, under Science I meant the strong Sciences: Biology, Chemistry, Physics
    I meant isn't rather than is :facepalm:

    its a branch of biology and pretty interesting! and not something you could do with out a degree.

    I always wanted to be a zoologist
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    (Original post by AdzD)
    I meant isn't rather than is :facepalm:

    its a branch of biology and pretty interesting! and not something you could do with out a degree.

    I always wanted to be a zoologist
    Yeah.. but that's like Media, in the sense that Media is a branch of English. Hence my argument, the traditional subjects.
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    (Original post by FallonSmith)
    Yeah.. but that's like Media, in the sense that Media is a branch of English. Hence my argument, the traditional subjects.
    I'm sorry but comparing zoology to media is complete crap. Media is widely considered to be a 'cake' degree, it's even portrayed that way in the media. Zoology is a highly specialised branch of biology and is a real science - and a degree in it prepares students for a specific career path. Why should history make your list of worthy subjects? Or even English? What do they specifically prepare you for? Or is being 'traditional' the only criteria that a subject needs to meet to gain your approval? Home Economics was traditional and common in schools not so long ago - is that a viable degree subject?

    Why shouldn't there be a degree for fashion designing? Surely that prepares people for a career in a specific industry? I don't get what the problem is with people following degrees in a field that specifically interests them (within reason...I heard there was a module at a uni somewhere teaching the 'commercial success of David Beckham', which I found a little odd) and frankly your comments show an amazing ignorance - unless you don't value the importance of the hundreds of thousands of non human species that keep our world turning and make your own clothes, that is.
 
 
 
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