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      (Original post by Mr.48845)
      seems like you have been tested for a number of pathologies biochemically. what is your height and weight? i know you've said BMI but the charts were made some 200 years ago for a different population than us today. How much water do you drink? you seriously need to cut down on diet coke (caffeine). you have to help yourself for someone else to help you. Start with a 500ml water bottle daily and finish it. you'll automatically want more as after about 4 weeks. Sounds like many signs of aneamia (there are loads of different types) though the bloods came back normal. The water intake will increase you BP too and keep you from feeling 'dizzy' as you descirbe.

      Take caffiene out as it'll be affecting your heart rhythms and this wont help with the situation. The PCOS exam is a simple US scan that requires hardly anything. the mesntruation ahs a big play in this. do you suffer from urinary tract infections often? The back pain may be associated with ay gynae probs or iy could just be musculoskeletal. Any neck pain at all? or scalp tenderness? any rheumatism in the family?
      Did you graduate from the same medical school as Dr Gillian Mckeith..?
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      I have PCOS too and they detected it through an ultrasound. Losing weight however is not a common sign of PCOS, its extreme weight gain and excess hair growth that seems to be the two that are a clear indicator. Keep going to the doctors and be relentless until they discover what's wrong, but don't be disenheartened if it is PCOS, many many women are sufferers and you won't be alone I had quite a lot of those symptoms, heavy periods , a lot of pain and very low a lot of the time. Get yourself checked out and try not to be too afraid to go to the doctors, they're there to help you after all! Hope everything works out ok for you!
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      If you don't eat meat do you substitute it for beans or eggs or anything with any protein in? I don't have a clue if it's connected to you feeling ill or not, but you need to eat some protein to be able to function properly (and there are some amino acids that you can't make in your body- you have to eat them) so if you're not getting enough that can't be helping things.

      Call me skeptical but I don't think you've got PCOS because you say you've lost weight and don't mention that you had to fight to do it- most women with PCOS find it very difficult to shift weight, and very easy to put it on, especially if they eat lots of carbs like you say you do, because it's all linked in with insulin levels.

      But then I'm not a doctor, so the best thing to do is to go back and tell them EVERYTHING. They won't be able to diagnose you properly if you miss things out- even if you don't think something is relevant a doctor may be able to see a connection that you can't. Doctors hear far worse things than irregular periods- they probably hear about that twenty times a week.
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      (Original post by Jamie)
      PCOS tends to be far more associated with obese girls than skinny
      ..But being overweight is a symptom rather than a cause. Of course it's not the reason all overweight girls are that way, but it can be a contributing factor. You're not more likely to have PCOS because you're overweight.
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        (Original post by Gemma :)!)
        ..But being overweight is a symptom rather than a cause. Of course it's not the reason all overweight girls are that way, but it can be a contributing factor. You're not more likely to have PCOS because you're overweight.
        It gets slightly complicated.
        Many people have PCOS but dont get any symptoms from it at all.

        It has been shown consistently that an obese girl with PCOS who loses weight will tend to have less symptoms from her PCOS. In particular fertility improves quite drastically.

        Does PCOS cause obesity? No.
        Does being obese cause PCOS. No

        Is PCOS associated with obesity...yes
        Does being obese make PCOS worse. Yes.
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        (Original post by Jamie)
        PCOS doesn't cause pain.

        Irregular periods yes. Pain no.

        Sounds like the GP has run just about every test.
        For now the best thing is to say "C'est la vie" and learn to cope.
        Either things will get better (great), or if they get worse another symptom may appear that helps pinpoint what is going on.

        Sometimes you just have to wait - medical science can only tell so much
        Yes it does cause pain. In some women the 'cysts' rupture and it can come with pretty sharp, sudden and intense pain.
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          (Original post by theiantomywanda)
          Yes it does cause pain. In some women the 'cysts' rupture and it can come with pretty sharp, sudden and intense pain.
          Whilst it is called polcystic ovarian syndrome it is so named because of its appearance on an ultrasound scan.

          But they aren't cyts in the sense you are talking about. They are like half formed follicles.
          Follicles being what form and then burst releasing the egg.

          So yes, a burst PCOS 'cyst' may give pain. But only the same pain as mid cycle pain (Mittleschmerz).
          This is not the same as the pain you can get from true ovarian cysts.


          I know, its all very confusing and if you google it you'll find different sites telling you different things.
          Thats because medicine and in particular medical terminology doesn't always make sense.
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          (Original post by Jamie)
          Whilst it is called polcystic ovarian syndrome it is so named because of its appearance on an ultrasound scan.

          But they aren't cyts in the sense you are talking about. They are like half formed follicles.
          Follicles being what form and then burst releasing the egg.

          So yes, a burst PCOS 'cyst' may give pain. But only the same pain as mid cycle pain (Mittleschmerz).
          This is not the same as the pain you can get from true ovarian cysts.


          I know, its all very confusing and if you google it you'll find different sites telling you different things.
          Thats because medicine and in particular medical terminology doesn't always make sense.
          I know that's why I put 'cyst'. In theory these women have many follicles all filled with fluid and they do not burst in a cyclical manner like normal ovulation. Oh and i'm familiar with medical terminology, i'm not a doctor like you but i'm nearly there
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          (Original post by Insanespana)
          I went to the doctors recently over pains in my abdomen and lower back as well as spotting whilst on the pill, and he said it was probably best to check everything which includes an internal exam.. I'm having it friday, and while I know it'll be embarassing and uncomfortable, at least they can make sure I'm all ok.

          It's all very well being terrified about internal exams, and they're not pleasant, but surely it's better being safe than worried and possibly missing something serious?
          Thanks for your reply! Is it your doctor doing the exam or a nurse? I don't get any abnormal bleeding as such - just the irregular periods! The back pain is in my lower back but it's mostly whne I'm laying in bed at night, I don't know whether it's more likely down to poor posture. I'm just a bit of a worrier and irregular periods + back pain = alarm bells aha! Thank you for your time

          (Original post by chlobofro)
          When I was diagnosed with PCOS, it took them about a year. They just do an external ultrasound to check for cysts. I get all the same symptoms as you. Just get it checked out.
          Thanks for the reply! Did they do a blood test and did it show anything? Mine have come back normal.

          (Original post by suzie101)
          OP - You can say I may well be totally off the mark with this but please let me address a few issues of concern. I know you mentioned if it is PCOS which it indeed could be but please consider this first.

          You've mentioned being dizzy and faint, lacking energy, feeling shakey if you haven't eaten for a few hours and feeling anxious - also youve mentioned that you are on low fat foods such as snack a jacks and drinking diet drinks. I know this doesn't address all your issues such as periods but please bare with me.

          Thank you for the reply - I cut it down the quote so I don't take up the whole page! :P I thought it could be blood sugar related with feeling weak after not eating for a while etc... but when the fasting glucose test came back fine I thought it couldn't be that. I will definitely take into consideration the amount of caffeine and artificial sweeteners in my diet. I realise I'm having way too much diet coke - I might have to go cold turkey on that one! Did you have any issues with your periods, if you don't mind me asking?
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          (Original post by natashapt)
          I have PCOS too and they detected it through an ultrasound. Losing weight however is not a common sign of PCOS, its extreme weight gain and excess hair growth that seems to be the two that are a clear indicator. Keep going to the doctors and be relentless until they discover what's wrong, but don't be disenheartened if it is PCOS, many many women are sufferers and you won't be alone I had quite a lot of those symptoms, heavy periods , a lot of pain and very low a lot of the time. Get yourself checked out and try not to be too afraid to go to the doctors, they're there to help you after all! Hope everything works out ok for you!
          Sorry for the double post, I'm still not that familiar with quoting/posting on here. I don't get heavy periods though, if anything they're on the light side. I'm starting to think the stress isn't helping - since it's been irregular I've been so concerned about it getting back to normal that I think I'm stressing over it! Did you have a blood test? Did it show anything ?Thank you for the reply!

          (Original post by *Joanna*)
          If you don't eat meat do you substitute it for beans or eggs or anything with any protein in? I don't have a clue if it's connected to you feeling ill or not, but you need to eat some protein to be able to function properly (and there are some amino acids that you can't make in your body- you have to eat them) so if you're not getting enough that can't be helping things.

          Call me skeptical but I don't think you've got PCOS because you say you've lost weight and don't mention that you had to fight to do it- most women with PCOS find it very difficult to shift weight, and very easy to put it on, especially if they eat lots of carbs like you say you do, because it's all linked in with insulin levels.

          But then I'm not a doctor, so the best thing to do is to go back and tell them EVERYTHING. They won't be able to diagnose you properly if you miss things out- even if you don't think something is relevant a doctor may be able to see a connection that you can't. Doctors hear far worse things than irregular periods- they probably hear about that twenty times a week.
          I don't have eggs that often but I quite often have baked beans. Not brilliant but they do have protein? I wouldn't say it was too hard for me to lose weight but I've been eating very low fat foods. Lately I've gone a bit off track and have been binging out on chocolates (I'm trying to control it!) - I don't know whether that's because I'm not eating enough normally so get the cravings or whether it's me being bored of healthy eating! For a few months I didn't eat a proper lunch as such... I'd eat but have a fruit salad instead of a sarnie. I've lost 1st7lbs in 6 months, bringing me to 9st so I'd say that's about average weight loss? I know doctors hear about periods all the time but I've always been a quite shy, introvert and I know I need to man up but it's tough! Thank you for your reply.

          (Original post by Jamie)
          It gets slightly complicated.
          Many people have PCOS but dont get any symptoms from it at all.

          It has been shown consistently that an obese girl with PCOS who loses weight will tend to have less symptoms from her PCOS. In particular fertility improves quite drastically.

          Does PCOS cause obesity? No.
          Does being obese cause PCOS. No

          Is PCOS associated with obesity...yes
          Does being obese make PCOS worse. Yes.
          Ah so being in the healthy weight range doesn't really mean anything? My periods were normal when I was bigger and just out of the healthy range - I've never been really overweight. I'm starting to think it could be stress related. Do you have to be majorly stressed for a disruption to periods? I wouldn't say I'm majorly anxious/depressed, my GP gave me a GAD and depression questionaire to fill in when I first went with teh lack of energy but it didn't seem to fit with me. Sorry I'm really bad at explaining things. It was just hard to translate the questions to real life... if that makes any sense. I think one of the questions was do you feel hopeless? Not exactly, I just go into a daze and don't think much at all. Do you constantly worry about something? I guess I regularly have that feeling of butterflies/nervous/excitement but I'm not actually worrying about anything in particular. I didn't explain this admittedly, I wasn't really concentrating that well and figured it just didn't apply to me. I didn't think I was depressed but if there's no apparent physical cause from the blood tests I don't know what to think anymore. It was an effort for me to work today, I don't particularly enjoy my job but I like the people, it shouldn't 'make' me like that! It sometimes feels like I don't have the energy to talk even, I just find myself dazed out in my own little bubble. I'm sorry for ranting All of your replies are very much appreciated!
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          feeling worried but about many things is a sign of generalized anxiety disorder. This also comes with feelings of detachment and depersonalization, it feels like you're a viewer watching your life play out. You can get help for this. cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) has been proven to be the most effective form of treatment and it doesn't carry the risk of dependence that anti-anxiolytic drugs do.
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          feeling worried but about many things is a sign of generalized anxiety disorder. This also comes with feelings of detachment and depersonalization, it feels like you're a viewer watching your life play out. You can get help for this. cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) has been proven to be the most effective form of treatment and it doesn't carry the risk of dependence that anti-anxiolytic drugs do.
          Thank you for your reply. I don't know if I do have GAD though, again it was just a suggestion. I just want to feel well again! I wouldn't say that I feel as though I'm watching my life play out really. I just get into this sort of daze that I want to snap out of, but I just don't. It's like I'm not concentrating properly, for example I'll be talking to a colleague and nodding along but I don't feel involved. It's difficult to describe, I'm proably just being daft.
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          (Original post by Anonymous)
          Thank you for the reply - I cut it down the quote so I don't take up the whole page! :P I thought it could be blood sugar related with feeling weak after not eating for a while etc... but when the fasting glucose test came back fine I thought it couldn't be that. I will definitely take into consideration the amount of caffeine and artificial sweeteners in my diet. I realise I'm having way too much diet coke - I might have to go cold turkey on that one! Did you have any issues with your periods, if you don't mind me asking?
          I would definitely try cutting down or out all together - at least that way you can narrow down the possibilities - if it works then great, if not get back on at the docs.
          As I said in the last post unfortunately the tests really aren't very reliable unless you have them regularly.
          I personally didn't have issues too many issues with periods but I had all main problems with sugar level when I was about 5-10 yrs old so by the time my periods started my body had kind of stabilised but they certainly wern't great - They were incredibly heavy, irregular and painful - I wouldn't rule it out being affected by it. Ive been on the pill for a long time now and that seems to have pretty much sorted out that side of things - interestingly enough I originally got put on cerezette (mini pill) and that made me incredibly ill - constantly passing out etc so I think that probably had something in it - after a bit of research I did find it said something about those with glucose problems should avoid it.

          Nowadays Im generally a lot better than I used to be although a few months ago I accidently picked up a bottle of coke zero instead of normal coke - cue a few days of me being pretty ill and faint etc ended up having to leave work to buy myself a big bar of choccy from the sweet shop
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          Thanks for the reply! Did they do a blood test and did it show anything? Mine have come back normal.

          Yup! Sometimes it does as our hormones fluctate.. it's stupid really aha. And btw, people with PCOS are really likely to get Insulin Resistance so I would check that out on google. Makes us all weak and shivery. :

          *Edit: Oops sorry wasn't very clear aha. They tested mine twice and said it was normal until they did an ultrasound and found cysts. Sucks.
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          I have been diagnosed with PCOS.
          I first noticed the symptoms when my periods became VERY irregular. I started getting it once in 6months which was scary loll.
          Acne is something I've always had and didnt think it was a big deal till i found out it was a symptom and I also experienced weight loss, excess hair growth & thinning of hair on my scalp

          I had alot of blood tests and one of my level was low, cant remember which 1 lol but I also had to ultrasound scans and it was confirmed that I had it.

          They gave me Yasmin contraceptive pills to help me, since then my periods are now regular, acne has cleared up but I've yet to have my hair grow back
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          Is it possible to have PCOS if your blood tests come back in normal range? I see an specialists for my other conditions and one of them considered PCOS for some reason (I am obese) but the blood tests have been repeated several times are fine. :o:

          Over the last 12 months I have some hair growth on my face and hair loss from my scalp, periods are somewhat 'regular' but sometimes bleed inbetween periods and my blood sugars are ok but i'm sometimes on the hypoglycaemic sides of things... don't get any pain not even period pain.
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          (Original post by chlobofro)
          Yup! Sometimes it does as our hormones fluctate.. it's stupid really aha. And btw, people with PCOS are really likely to get Insulin Resistance so I would check that out on google. Makes us all weak and shivery. :

          *Edit: Oops sorry wasn't very clear aha. They tested mine twice and said it was normal until they did an ultrasound and found cysts. Sucks.
          I think I'm getting more stressed googling everything - makes you think you've got everything! Thanks for the reply. Did you have an internal exam at all, if you don't mind me asking?

          (Original post by sweet_obsession)
          I have been diagnosed with PCOS.
          I first noticed the symptoms when my periods became VERY irregular. I started getting it once in 6months which was scary loll.
          Acne is something I've always had and didnt think it was a big deal till i found out it was a symptom and I also experienced weight loss, excess hair growth & thinning of hair on my scalp

          I had alot of blood tests and one of my level was low, cant remember which 1 lol but I also had to ultrasound scans and it was confirmed that I had it.

          They gave me Yasmin contraceptive pills to help me, since then my periods are now regular, acne has cleared up but I've yet to have my hair grow back
          Thank you for your reply. I have been losing weight deliberately and I haven't really got any excess hair. I've got a bit of a hairy upper lip but it's fair and not that noticeable unless I'm in the light. What tests did your doctor do? I just find it strange that I've got symptoms now I've lost weight and not when I was heavier. I'm wondering whether it's just my body adjusting to the changes in my weight/diet more than pcos, I just google and get paranoid. Ah I don't know.

          (Original post by Anonymous)
          Is it possible to have PCOS if your blood tests come back in normal range? I see an specialists for my other conditions and one of them considered PCOS for some reason (I am obese) but the blood tests have been repeated several times are fine. :o:

          Over the last 12 months I have some hair growth on my face and hair loss from my scalp, periods are somewhat 'regular' but sometimes bleed inbetween periods and my blood sugars are ok but i'm sometimes on the hypoglycaemic sides of things... don't get any pain not even period pain.
          Thank you for your reply. Is the excess hair noticeable? I have got sort of hair arms/upper lip but it's nothing tooo bad really. I think one of my results was slightly high, still normal but raised. It's best to ask your doctor I'm not sure really, sorry.
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          I think I'm getting more stressed googling everything - makes you think you've got everything! Thanks for the reply. Did you have an internal exam at all, if you don't mind me asking?
          Nah I didn't. They don't tend to do an internal exam unless it could be serious (which it isn't I'm sure)
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          please keep anon or delete.

          Basically, over the past few months I've had a few health issues; I am seeing my GP already but am looking for any of your experience/advice please!

          -I often lack energy, to the point that I can't be bothered to go out after work and want to just sleep. I almost feel as though I'm walking around in a daze and I just need to 'snap' out of it - it's impossible to do so though. I'm also quite achy in my arms and legs and also lower back. My back is particularly painful when I'm lying in bed at night.

          -I get dizzy a lot, well it's more motion sickness feeling than dizzy. Again, kind of difficult to explain. I'll get light-headed and go to feel quite faint. When I stand up the room tends to go dark and I'll get a headache.

          -If I haven't eaten for a few hours I'll start to feel really weak and shaky, irritable even. I guess that's normal in most people though?

          -1) My periods have been irregular lately. They've never been very heavy but they've always came each month between 24-28 days. It seems that my periods changed when my diet changed - I don't know whether this is coincedence or not. I don't know whether this is worse becasue I'm worrying about it. I get quite a bit of discharge now. It's not daily but there are times that I have quite a heavy, white discharge. It doesn't irritate me so I don't think it's an infection. I Also, I don't have any stis and I'm not pregnant.

          -2)I've recently lost weight (I wasn't overly big before but am now a better weight imo about a bmi of 22.4) so my diet has changed. I tend to eat a lot of carbs and very little meat. When I say a lot of carbs I mean I'll have either pasta/noodles/potato everyday. I eat at least my five fruit a veggies a day. I try to keep my snacks low fat - a snack a jack or a cereal bar. I know I have too much caffeine - about one cup of coffee and a 2l bottle of diet coke each day.

          - 3)I get anxiety/depression kind of issues quite often. There's a stressful-ish ongoing situation in my family that does get to me. I often find myself with a low mood that I can't shake. I wouldn't say I'm overly depressed as I don't think of suicide and don't self harm. I'm in quite a boring job and although I know there's more out there I just can't seem to be bothered to go out and do anything about it. I suppose I'm quite a socially awkward person - don't get me wrong I have friends and can be loud and talkative, but I also find myself being nervous. I also have obsessive tendencies, again I don't know if this applies to most people. I find I have to stick to a certain night time routine - silly as it sounds - I don't know what I think will happen if I don't but I can't settle otherwise. I'm OK when I'm staying at a friends though. I don't have a brilliant relationship with food, although I know I'm now a healthy weight I don't feel too happy with myself. I want to be skinny but find myself binging out with little self control.

          - Lastly, the reason for the title of pcos. I've seen my gp about all of these issues (I may have left out the periods because I'm pathetic and embarrassed even though I'm nearly 20!). I've had lots of blood tests come back and they've all been normal. He did however say that one of the thingys was raised slightly, it was probably nothing but it was worth repeating the test to see if it had changed. I'm wondering if perhaps this could be pcos as I saw one of the tests repeated was the right test I think. If this was the case how would he procede if the blood test came back raised again? I know if it's necessary then I'll have to go ahead with it but the thought of a pelvic exam really stresses me out. (I'm stressing over this now so my period will probably be late because of that!) Will it be an internal ultrasound?
          I'm just guessing becasue of the periods and lack of energy that it could be pcos? Do you have any ideas what else could have been raised?

          - Just so you know, my blood pressure is normaly - if anything a little on the low side but for the most part it's normal. My blood tests showed that I'm not anaemic and that my thyroid is functioning normally.

          I am extremely sorry for this huge post! If anybody takes the time to read or skim through this then I'll be exceptionally greatful!!! Thank You so much in advance.
          1) If you had pcos your periods would have been irregular from the start, from my very first period they were really heavy, painful and would turn up unannounced
          every 6 months or so.


          2) People with pcos find it v. difficult to lose weight, obesity is a common symptom.

          3) Stress can be reason for you menstual cycle changing or becoming a little irregular.

          I doubt its pcos, but it is worth getting checked out. I understand it is embarrassing but you must tell your GP about the periods, she will have heard it all before and she will be able to help.
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          (Original post by Anonymous)
          I think I'm getting more stressed googling everything - makes you think you've got everything! Thanks for the reply. Did you have an internal exam at all, if you don't mind me asking?


          Don't do this. You just type in your symptoms and wait for the word CANCER to appear on the screen.
         
         
         
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