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    (Original post by Law123mus)
    Actually most people don't understand socialism. They (left and right) seem to think it's about robbing from the rich and giving to the poor. The government should provide jobs for everyone and money for those that don't want to work. Well actually socialism is about creating a equal society for all by a system that is fair for all. Tax the rich and the poor a fair amount and provide services that get rid of what beveridge described as the "five giant evils in society" which are squalor, ignorance, want, idleness and disease through univeral services such as nhs and education but also helping people provide for themselves at the same time. Unfortunately the governments over the years have lost their way. The (new) labour left has tried to create a socialist society by providing policies to help the people. Unfortunately the way in which they provided for the people has damaged the people. Because they have created a society where people rely on handouts, rather then rely on helping hands which is the socialist way. And the tory right has tried to make a capatalist society by making cuts and tax breaks for the rich. However again they have only damaged society by cutting the wrong things. By privatising services and cutting on spending in areas where they shouldn't. In areas where it is better to spend more on as you will get a better return i.e education not to mention thatchers reforms. So they have failed their ideology aswell. But that's politics I suppose.
    “Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”

    -So let me get this straight? Your saying, "Tory's are cutting funding purely for fun".

    Well I hate to break it to you they are not doing it out of any emotion but purely out of necessity. This country is toiling after 10 years of abuse by a farcical left wing party known as Labour. They have spread misery throughout this country making the poverty gap bigger, they have squandered our immense wealth we had in gold (built up by the previous Conservative party) so they could go on an unsustainable binge of funding for unnecessary public ventures.

    Now after this binge the country is in a economic hangover were we cannot have the luxury to keep everything.

    We must conserve!

    We must be conservative!

    So there will be hardship down the line - but that is life, it is not always easy and as I have said many times before .

    "The World Owes you nothing!" - so get on with it!
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    Saw a red flag today and a few other USSR symbols. Had to admit the irony was very very funny. Protests like this would be met with a hail of gunfire in any socialist country.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Saw a red flag today and a few other USSR symbols. Had to admit the irony was very very funny. Protests like this would be met with a hail of gunfire in any socialist country.
    Not before the people are hit by bombs from the capitalists..
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    (Original post by loosebruce)
    “Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”

    -So let me get this straight? Your saying, "Tory's are cutting funding purely for fun".

    Well I hate to break it to you they are not doing it out of any emotion but purely out of necessity. This country is toiling after 10 years of abuse by a farcical left wing party known as Labour. They have spread misery throughout this country making the poverty gap bigger, they have squandered our immense wealth we had in gold (built up by the previous Conservative party) so they could go on an unsustainable binge of funding for unnecessary public ventures.

    Now after this binge the country is in a economic hangover were we cannot have the luxury to keep everything.

    We must conserve!

    We must be conservative!

    So there will be hardship down the line - but that is life, it is not always easy and as I have said many times before .

    "The World Owes you nothing!" - so get on with it!
    Ok firstly I never said the tories are cutting for the fun of it. I said they are cutting in the wrong place. I agree with cuts just not all the cuts they suggested, and also not in the way they are doing it, it's happening far too quickly.

    I agree labour ****ed up, but like i said, this is not the type of socialism I agree with. The past labour government weren't truly socialist.

    I also agree about hardships, life is hard!

    I by no means think the world owes me anything at all. I think we as a country should look out for ourselves and each other (socialism) in a way that is fair for everyone. So please reread what i wrote and take your tory goggles off while reading so you can understand what i said and not just jump to conclusions.
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    (Original post by AndroidLight)
    Not before the people are hit by bombs from the capitalists..
    Huh?
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    (Original post by Jokercard)
    your kidding me right? you use language like 'masses' and 'system is now a con' and support blatant socialist crap.. God i hate marxism, anyways

    THE CUTS ARE NEEDED... and may i remind you it was your socialist way of thinking that got us into this mess. All Labour does is make one fantastical promise after another, borrowing and throwing money in a big bubble until it pops and then suddenly you have to make cuts. The system should never of been driven to this stage in the first place, its just been that backward old fashion 'fair' way of thinking that just doesn't work....
    Haha all I have done is point out how the system has been privatised. I do not define myself as a marxist, I just believe in free education.

    You're trying to make this into a labour/tory argument which it simply isn't. Labour were the first to get the ball rolling on the privatisation in the late 90s, it started at £1k a year, then 3k, and now 9k. It's not linked to the recession at all, the cut backs started 10 years before the recession, this is just the final phase of a gradual transition to privatisation.
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    "They're making us pay more for higher level education?!

    REVOLUTION!"
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    Haha all I have done is point out how the system has been privatised. I do not define myself as a marxist, I just believe in free education.

    You're trying to make this into a labour/tory argument which it simply isn't. Labour were the first to get the ball rolling on the privatisation in the late 90s, it started at £1k a year, then 3k, and now 9k. It's not linked to the recession at all, the cut backs started 10 years before the recession, this is just the final phase of a gradual transition to privatisation.
    it is linked to the recession and free education has never existed because people will always be willing to pay more' just look at private schools. They add higher boundaries to private school students yet still more of them go to better university's then comprehensive school students.

    I wish i went to a private school, they start training for their GCSE's at year 7, get them out of the way enabling some students 4 years to practice and home their A level results. Free education never existed, labor tried to implement it and just ended up blowing the budget with us left to pick up the pieces.

    Free university education isn't viable, all poorer students will face now is greater risk. They will have to choose a subject which they know will land them and job and assured they will pass or face heavy ball crunching debt.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Huh?
    Sweeping generalisations, you know capitalists.

    War in pretty much every place known to man.. for money.
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    Communism and socialism are ridiculously flawed.
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    (Original post by Jokercard)
    it is linked to the recession and free education has never existed because people will always be willing to pay more' just look at private schools. They add higher boundaries to private school students yet still more of them go to better university's then comprehensive school students.

    I wish i went to a private school, they start training for their GCSE's at year 7, get them out of the way enabling some students 4 years to practice and home their A level results. Free education never existed, labor tried to implement it and just ended up blowing the budget with us left to pick up the pieces.

    Free university education isn't viable, all poorer students will face now is greater risk. They will have to choose a subject which they know will land them and job and assured they will pass or face heavy ball crunching debt.
    Free higher education DID exist before the late 90s when tuition fees were introduced. Labour never tried to implement free education, they did the exact opposite in introducing part-privatisation.

    We all wish we could go to private school, but sadly that is the exclusive domain of the rich, like the oxbridge educated politicians who are making these changes. It's not going to affect their kids, they're set up for private education straight A's, a place at oxbridge and a highly paid job before they're even born!
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    (Original post by AndroidLight)
    Sweeping generalisations, you know capitalists.

    War in pretty much every place known to man.. for money.
    I did't generalise. Name me one fully socialist country that has ever allowed basic freedoms.
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    This matter has nothing to do with the lower classes fighting upper class oppression.

    It's about student fees not equality.
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    Free higher education DID exist before the late 90s when tuition fees were introduced. Labour never tried to implement free education, they did the exact opposite in introducing part-privatisation.

    We all wish we could go to private school, but sadly that is the exclusive domain of the rich, like the oxbridge educated politicians who are making these changes. It's not going to affect their kids, they're set up for private education straight A's, a place at oxbridge and a highly paid job before they're even born!
    yea mate , but that free higher education was ridiculously flawed and only existed for a while with Harold Wilson and his red brick universities, and it was more class orientated then it is today...

    Takes two generations to go up a class system, one to make it to where the money is and the second to profit from it. Those politicians had to start somewhere, not all had it handed on a plate and economic background ain't no reason to prejudice against the ones who have. Its not good when people start waging on about previous experiences somehow giving them the knowledge to comment. The argument becomes a 'who has the worst experience match' or 'you don't know what its like you've never been poor' etc etc.. which just becomes a comparison of bad times rather then actual progress. Just because someone has seen the bottom of the social system doesn't mean they know how to run it....
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    I did't generalise. Name me one fully socialist country that has ever allowed basic freedoms.
    Depends how you define 'fully'. Whether you'd count the USSR or not would be a good indicator.

    Alternatively find me the biggest capitalist country that has never engaged in warfare for its own gain.
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    (Original post by AndroidLight)
    Depends how you define 'fully'. Whether you'd count the USSR or not would be a good indicator.

    Alternatively find me the biggest capitalist country that has never engaged in warfare for its own gain.
    Meh thats human nature as optimised to idology. Humans are greedy. Greed excisted long before capatalism
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    (Original post by Jokercard)
    your kidding me right? you use language like 'masses' and 'system is now a con' and support blatant socialist crap.. God i hate marxism, anyways

    THE CUTS ARE NEEDED... and may i remind you it was your socialist way of thinking that got us into this mess. All Labour does is make one fantastical promise after another, borrowing and throwing money in a big bubble until it pops and then suddenly you have to make cuts. The system should never of been driven to this stage in the first place, its just been that backward old fashion 'fair' way of thinking that just doesn't work....
    Ha, you think Labour are socialist?

    You think Tony Blair was a socialist?

    Besides, the "socialist way of thinking got us into this mess", do I even need to make the point that it's a global financial crisis caused by the banks - which by the way are the epitomy of capitalism.

    It's capitalism that got us into this mess, not socialism.
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    (Original post by jeanmina)
    the failing global capitalist system.[/B]
    Capitalism doesn't fail. The rest of your post made me yawn.
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    (Original post by ch0llima)
    A load of Communist garbage. Thanks for making me giggle.

    This reminds me of the extract from Emmanuel Goldstein's book in Nineteen Eighty Four.
    Snap.
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    lol no one really threw out reasons to the question, which makes me laugh.

    capitalism itself is an ideology not a science. learn the relation of production. Come back to reality please, from your perfect world made up of perfect information and perfect market mechanism.

    it is irrational to be automatically allergic to words like "workers", "classes" etc without even looking at those issues. Enough for cliche like "we are greedy and thus need capitalism", "socialism is out of time" that indoctrinated by neoliberal propaganda. Economic figures tell you what's going on. take your time dudes.
 
 
 
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