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    We'll see how Nick Clegg feels when there's no rich graduates to line his pockets with pension money.
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      (Original post by Bosch)
      AWWWWWWW yep, blame democracy, "I didnt get what I wanted so it must be democracys fault" sooner or later, you'l break out of your little bubble and see that our country spans farther than your university. We are in a recesion, cuts are everywere. Also, breaking stuff and attacking royals is like a child throwing thier toys out of a pram, you obviosly arent mature enough for protesting
      So the people who voted Liberal Democrats voted for a rise in tuition fees? :lolwut:
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      The hugely unpopular poll tax of the late 80s and early 90s was eventaully abolished after its introduction, so who's to say that the current tuition fees policy wouldn't be changed further or scrapped completely in the near future :dontknow:
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      (Original post by Jokercard)
      No mate, with everyone going to university they devalued the degree and just dropped the average graduate pay to match. The only degrees that really pay off are the ones with a profession at the end of them, like engineering, surveying and accountancy.

      Money levels stay the same, just the distribution and competition change. Less people going to university will naturally mean less competition for those with a degree. More people going to university will mean more competition and competitive even pay to match..

      What we really need is more professionals, more engineers to design and build stuff. With the rise in tuition fees we might see a rise in people taking more practical degrees because of the raised chances of earning more money. (and their more interesting too :P goo engineering!) This is good for the economy because we get more people earning tax instead of consuming it, and its shared around a lot fairer in the long run...
      I agree that the devaluation of degrees is a disaster in all sectors. My solution to this would be to simply close down the lower standard universities and raise the general entry requirements. That aside, I do not, however, agree that more degrees should be taken in those areas. Although they are indisputably important, Universities are not the place in which to study them. These are professions that should be learned from specially designated Colleges/Institutions or apprenticeships even. Universities were invented and continued as a house of intellect. Engineering and construction are not intellectual. I'm not attacking your interests, this is just my view.
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      (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
      Yes, we can see democracy hasn't worked.
      Really?

      Who voted in the Coalition? :iiam:
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      (Original post by W.H.T)
      The hugely unpopular poll tax of the late 80s and early 90s was eventaully abolished after its introduction, so who's to say that the current tuition fees policy wouldn't be changed further or scrapped completely in the near future :dontknow:
      Poll tax riots. 200,000

      Student riots Top estimate 20k bottom under 10k
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      (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
      Yes, we can see democracy hasn't worked.
      And pointless violence and standing outside in the cold making as much noise as possible...
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      (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
      So the people who voted Liberal Democrats voted for a rise in tuition fees? :lolwut:
      I voted Liberal Democrats, I didn't vote to lose my job due to the recession, hopefully you will realise one day that the recession affects all of us, and there are things that the government just doesn't see coming. They didn't want to have to make cuts, but they have to come from somewere, and dont worry, there are other things in this country being cut!! like healthcare and medical benefits. Happy now?
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      Only 20,000 people turned up yesterday? Wow.
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      (Original post by Architecture-er)
      Only because the government has turned a blind eye and gone ahead with it anyway, hardly democratic.
      The amount of protesters was not 51% of the country :hmmm:

      How exactly is this not democratic? Are you saying that the loudest voice in our country should dictate education policy, because funnily enough, that sounds like fascism to me.
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      I think they'll probably back down if there's peaceful protests :happy2::bigsmile:
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      The protests have worked to a point.

      A couple of Tory MPs voted against, and the Lib Dems were split voters. I think it was something like 28 voted for, 21 voted against, and a whole bunch abstained?
      Also, my Dad has been saying that his colleagues weren't all that supportive of students until they saw police beating up angry students on the news. For some reason, it helped. Don't know if that happened to many other people, so *shrugs*.
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      (Original post by Bosch)
      I voted Liberal Democrats, I didn't vote to lose my job due to the recession, hopefully you will realise one day that the recession affects all of us, and there are things that the government just doesn't see coming. They didn't want to have to make cuts, but they have to come from somewere, and dont worry, there are other things in this country being cut!! like healthcare and medical benefits. Happy now?
      We are the sacrificial lambs, taking the blows so the sins of the current generations can cope.
      No-one's sticking their ceremonial knife in me, thank you very much.
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      (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
      The amount of protesters was not 51% of the country :hmmm:

      How exactly is this not democratic? Are you saying that the loudest voice in our country should dictate education policy, because funnily enough, that sounds like fascism to me.
      Democracy is where the public votes for a party to govern, based on the promises they made in their campaign. Nowadays it seems the best liar gets the job. That's not a democracy since we did not vote for the changes which are now occurring.

      Funnily enough (actually it's not funny) this particular situation was handled more like an autocracy. Not completely, since the MP's themselves got to vote against it if they wanted, but it is close enough.
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      (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
      So the people who voted Liberal Democrats voted for a rise in tuition fees? :lolwut:
      Because the lib dems won didn't they?

      (Original post by c0nfus3d)
      I think they'll probably back down if there's peaceful protests :happy2::bigsmile:
      We all know that's not going to happen though. Every protest will end in a riot, thanks to the hardcore socialist element.
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        (Original post by TShadow383)
        Because the lib dems won didn't they?
        There wouldn't be a (blue) coalition government if the people who voted Liberal Democrats had voted for Labour instead.
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        (Original post by Architecture-er)
        Democracy is where the public votes for a party to govern, based on the promises they made in their campaign. Nowadays it seems the best liar gets the job. That's not a democracy since we did not vote for the changes which are now occurring.

        Funnily enough (actually it's not funny) this particular situation was handled more like an autocracy. Not completely, since the MP's themselves got to vote against it if they wanted, but it is close enough.
        That's a complete misrepresentation of reality simply because you're of a particular political persuasion, which is pretty piss poor really. An autocracy is a government formed by instilling power in just one person, such as a monarchy. Considering that the vote passed with a majority of only 21, how do you consider that a one person government?

        Even then, they are still democratically elected, and there is a strong argument to demonstrate that the circumstances they find themselves in at the moment mean they can not deliver election pledges - as they are in a coalition. Understand? And even then, more Liberal Democrats abstained/voted against than voted for.

        And you seem to think that's an autocracy? Are you honestly that much of an idiot.
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        (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
        There wouldn't be a (blue) coalition government if the people who voted Liberal Democrats had voted for Labour instead.
        But they didn't
        Welcome to democracy
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          (Original post by TShadow383)
          But they didn't
          Welcome to democracy
          They voted for Nick Clegg, who betrayed them. 'Welcome to Democracy' indeed.
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          (Original post by Architecture-er)
          We are the sacrificial lambs, taking the blows so the sins of the current generations can cope.No-one's sticking their ceremonial knife in me, thank you very much.
          I hope you realise that it's not just you suffering, the entire country is recieving cuts everywere, not much point in me even arguing with you, you obviously believe that things can be cut, except for when it affects you
         
         
         
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