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    (Original post by karateworm)
    Because clearly, they haven't. The EU has made sure that everyone who is a citizen of a country that is part of it, has protection from big business that their home countries would either not want to pass, or could not pass.
    You could apply that logic to anything. Just because something didn't occur in the past doesn't mean it wouldn't occur in the future.

    From what I can see, the EU is run by the interests of big business. It is big business that want high tariffs put in place so they can force European Consumers to pay above what they would have to.

    France, Spain and etc all lobby to have their inefficient farming and fishing industries subsidised.

    They then dump any extra farming produce that they have on Africa at undervalued prices, thereby preventing local farmers competing. This is after preventing those same farmers from even entering the EU market.
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    (Original post by Gontak)
    Farming subsidies...big, fat, farming subsidies. No one ever mentions them. (Not saying that's the one thing we get from the EU, we get loads, but that's a big thing lots of people miss out.)
    You're saying the CAP is a benefit?

    Are you aware that we are net contributors?
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    Because his criteria isn't based upon any economic reasoning.

    Someone could just as easily say that I believe the 60% of trade with the EU demonstrates that EU customs union is advantageous.

    That is all he has essentially said.

    I don't even believe UKIP would advocate leaving the Union with negotiating a trade deal so the UK isn't subject to the import tariffs of the EU.
    The figures quoted are official trade figures. It was bald economic reasoning.

    UKIP on trade.

    The trade deficit would mean trade would continue whether we are EU members or not.
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    (Original post by Tamora)
    The figures quoted are official trade figures. It was bald economic reasoning.

    UKIP on trade.

    The trade deficit would mean trade would continue whether we are EU members or not.
    I am not sure what this has to with what I said.

    I don't even understand what you mean by bald economic reasoning.
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    No, we don't rely on the EU, it's the other way round, they rely on us. They us as the hate figure to unite the other countries and use as the dumping ground for immigrants from North Africa trying to earn a decent wage and which the other rest of the EU won't or can't pay.
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      (Original post by sweetgyal24)
      is it to do with things such as trade? what kind of things? Does this link into the ECHR/ HRA?

      any advice/ opinions/ help appreciated!
      thanks in ad
      The ECHR was established after WW2 when the continent had just experienced totalitarian horrors in places like Germany and Italy. You can't really question the freedoms it grants e.g. free speech, right to protest, shouldn't use torture etc, but you can wonder whether its entirely necessary for that to be enforced from the ECHR as our national government supports those principles anyway and could include them in a domestic bill of rights.

      The EU is much worse since we need to pay for our membership (the EU budget is increasing at the moment by the way, even though police, schools etc all face spending cuts) - there are also policies that benefit other EU nations but not us e.g. the common agricultural policy, which is basically subsidising French farmers. Plus now we need to pay to bailout all these countries with the Euro.

      The Euro itself is a total disaster because every country is forced to have the same interest rates. But its possible that Ireland may require higher interest rates than countries such as Germany; so if interest rates are then kept low, it could harm Ireland to the extent that a bailout is then needed.

      It's true that we get free trade with all European countries, which really is a good thing - but you can have free trade agreements from outside the European Union - both Norway and Switzerland do that.
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      (Original post by CandyFlipper)
      The ECHR was established after WW2 when the continent had just experienced totalitarian horrors in places like Germany and Italy. You can't really question the freedoms it grants e.g. free speech, right to protest, shouldn't use torture etc, but you can wonder whether its entirely necessary for that to be enforced from the ECHR as our national government supports those principles anyway and could include them in a domestic bill of rights.

      The EU is much worse since we need to pay for our membership (the EU budget is increasing at the moment by the way, even though police, schools etc all face spending cuts) - there are also policies that benefit other EU nations but not us e.g. the common agricultural policy, which is basically subsidising French farmers. Plus now we need to pay to bailout all these countries with the Euro.

      The Euro itself is a total disaster because every country is forced to have the same interest rates. But its possible that Ireland may require higher interest rates than countries such as Germany; so if interest rates are then kept low, it could harm Ireland to the extent that a bailout is then needed.

      It's true that we get free trade with all European countries, which really is a good thing - but you can have free trade agreements from outside the European Union - both Norway and Switzerland do that.
      So that's why our teacher briefly mentioned world war 2 for our coursework !! She said we have to do "private" study and this part obviously included it. What do you mean by domestic bill of rights? :confused: Is that the one that David Cameron said we would have, similar to the US?
      So every country in the EU has the "same" interest rates? Damn, I shouldve done business/ politics at alevel Are Norway and Switzerland not in the EU then? (says to self, how stupid do I probably sound)? ha ha just reread your post and you have specifically said countries outside EU, so I'm going to shut up..
      What about trade? What kinds of things do we trade? Food?


      Thanks alot for all this info, much appreciated x
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      We rely on them to tell us what to do, now that we can't make any laws of our own.
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      (Original post by twl)
      Our EU government has a European Court of Justice - which is the UK's supreme court (even though we have a court called the 'Supreme Court' - it isn't supreme the ECJ is).
      I'd be a bit careful about that. The ECJ is a court of last instance for cases where it has a shared competence with national law. National courts can refer cases to the ECJ where there is a conflict of law.
      To call the ECJ the UK's Supreme Court is very misleading; our own court of last instance is called the Supreme Court and most cases on appeal from the Court of Appeal end up there - not at the ECJ! For a case to arrive at the ECJ can take as long as six years!
     
     
     
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