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    Agree with previous posts; don't let the Columbia programme be the decider. I'll be heading there next August (and am very pleased about it) but the competition is intense and you just can't tell how well you'll do in your first year.

    That said, there are plenty of other reasons to choose KCL like the location, the size of the law school (more profs, more resources) and the good links with firms.
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    If you are looking for overall reputation, then Warwick. Although the gap is marginal compared to KCL.

    But since you are looking for law reputation, then King's. The gap is also marginal compared to Warwick but KCL is one of the top 5 for Law in the UK with Oxbridge, LSE and UCL.

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...02&postcount=9

    It's legal alumni also reflects this by the way.
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    (Original post by LutherVan)
    If you are looking for overall reputation, then Warwick. Although the gap is marginal compared to KCL.

    But since you are looking for law reputation, then King's. The gap is also marginal compared to Warwick but KCL is one of the top 5 for Law in the UK with Oxbridge, LSE and UCL.

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...02&postcount=9

    It's legal alumni also reflects this by the way.
    I don't know if I'd put KCL in the top 5. The only reason KCL is recognized by the NY bar is because UoL came to an agreement with the NY bar to accept the LLB as suitable to sit the exam. You can sit the bar if you went to Birbeck as well.

    Oxbridge
    LSE/UCL
    Durham/Warwick
    and then KCL

    -Durham has average UCAS points of 500, Warwick 465 and KCL 460.
    -Durham and KCL are tied for employment...Warwick is 10 percent less.
    -Durham has a 93 percent satisfaction rate for law, KCL has 89 percent, Warwick has 90 percent.
    -Durham was 4th in the RAE and KCL was 11th. Durham had 30 4*, KCL had 15 4*
    -Employment wise, you'll have the exact same shot coming from Warwick, Durham and KCL. But everything that can be measured (UCAS points, satisfaction, employment rates, etc.) puts Durham ahead and Warwick equal with KCL.
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    (Original post by adam0311)
    I don't know if I'd put KCL in the top 5. The only reason KCL is recognized by the NY bar is because UoL came to an agreement with the NY bar to accept the LLB as suitable to sit the exam. You can sit the bar if you went to Birbeck as well.

    Oxbridge
    LSE/UCL
    Durham/Warwick
    and then KCL

    -Durham has average UCAS points of 500, Warwick 465 and KCL 460.
    -Durham and KCL are tied for employment...Warwick is 10 percent less.
    -Durham has a 93 percent satisfaction rate for law, KCL has 89 percent, Warwick has 90 percent.
    -Durham was 4th in the RAE and KCL was 11th. Durham had 30 4*, KCL had 15 4*
    -Employment wise, you'll have the exact same shot coming from Warwick, Durham and KCL. But everything that can be measured (UCAS points, satisfaction, employment rates, etc.) puts Durham ahead and Warwick equal with KCL.
    This is more of the too much focus on league tables. That is a very TSR thing.

    Most employers don't care about league tables. A man working 18hrs a day has no time for league tables.

    University reputation plays a huge role in employment. The history KCL has built is unmatchable. Just look at KCL's law alumni and compare with Durham. There are also several General counsels of Blue Chip firms that are LSE/UCL/KCL law grads and obviously Oxbridge.

    But I just think the gap is negligible between LSE/UCL/KCL and others like Durham, QMW, Nottingham, Manchester, Birmingham etc.
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    (Original post by LutherVan)
    This is more of the too much focus on league tables. That is a very TSR thing.

    Most employers don't care about league tables. A man working 18hrs a day has no time for league tables.

    University reputation plays a huge role in employment. The history KCL has built is unmatchable. Just look at KCL's law alumni and compare with Durham. There are also several General counsels of Blue Chip firms that are LSE/UCL/KCL law grads and obviously Oxbridge.

    But I just think the gap is negligible between LSE/UCL/KCL and others like Durham, QMW, Nottingham, Manchester, Birmingham etc.
    1. Where did I mention league tables? I mentioned a research assessment. I only used hard data. I much prefer assessing a uni by a grouping, rather than specific spots. Meaning, something along the lines of lawz method of ranking. This is the only thing I'm disagreeing with you on--classifying KCL as a top 5.

    2. I think this is a poor argument. 65 percent of the MC is from a top 10 uni so you can't say that the hiring partners/associates don't have time. But again this is completely irrelevant as I'm not pointing to any league tables.

    3. Yeah it definitely is matchable. UCL and LSE beat it out. KCL's alumni list for law is pretty average.

    4. There is definitely a gap between LSE/UCL and KCL for law.
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    (Original post by adam0311)
    1. Where did I mention league tables? I mentioned a research assessment. I only used hard data. I much prefer assessing a uni by a grouping, rather than specific spots. Meaning, something along the lines of lawz method of ranking. This is the only thing I'm disagreeing with you on--classifying KCL as a top 5.

    2. I think this is a poor argument. 65 percent of the MC is from a top 10 uni so you can't say that the hiring partners/associates don't have time. But again this is completely irrelevant as I'm not pointing to any league tables.

    3. Yeah it definitely is matchable. UCL and LSE beat it out. KCL's alumni list for law is pretty average.

    4. There is definitely a gap between LSE/UCL and KCL for law.
    I don't think it is matchable:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ers_and_judges
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ers_and_judges
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...don_alumni#Law
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ity_people#Law
    There is no list for Warwick
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...Notable_alumni
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    So the prestige of a university is based off of the 10 people that wikipedia links? You do realize that not everyone who should be linked is linked?

    Did you go through the KCL list? Half of them transferred to Oxbridge for law school and another portion didn't even get their LLB from KCL.

    Honestly UCL's is quite impressive. So all this did was reinforce my initial opinion, that KCL's alumni list doesn't match UCL's or LSE's.
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    I'd say KCL, but that's just me.
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    (Original post by Mann18)
    I'd say KCL, but that's just me.
    I would say Warwick but that's because I don't like KCL that much. Why would you say KCL over Warwick? :holmes:
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    (Original post by Doughnuts!!)
    I would say Warwick but that's because I don't like KCL that much. Why would you say KCL over Warwick? :holmes:
    Personally, I'd much prefer to go to Warwick, I don't like cities, but if I were to pick one purely on a "best for Law" basis, I'd go for KCL purely due to location.

    Prestige wise, I'd say KCL probably just slides ahead, but not by much at all, it really is just the location of the place that makes it attractive, near to the major courts ect.
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    Warwick is so overrated on this website.
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    (Original post by Mann18)
    Personally, I'd much prefer to go to Warwick, I don't like cities, but if I were to pick one purely on a "best for Law" basis, I'd go for KCL purely due to location.

    Prestige wise, I'd say KCL probably just slides ahead, but not by much at all, it really is just the location of the place that makes it attractive, near to the major courts ect.
    Ahh, what's wrong with cities? London is the best!

    Personally, I don't think that location matters much. Firms still target Law schools that aren't in London, though I do agree that being close to the big courts is an upside.

    (Original post by Margaret Thatcher)
    Warwick is so overrated on this website.
    It's impossible for Warwick to be overrated as it's so awesome!
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    (Original post by Doughnuts!!)
    Ahh, what's wrong with cities? London is the best!

    Personally, I don't think that location matters much. Firms still target Law schools that aren't in London, though I do agree that being close to the big courts is an upside.
    Not a fan of the crowds. I'm aiming to move to a small village within commuting distance of London as soon as that becomes financially viable for me (assuming I'm able to do what I want to do.)

    I think being London savvy will help with applying to places at least, but I agree, it won't make that much difference, and again, I'd value the quiet of Warwick as being more important to me than being London savvy.
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    (Original post by Mann18)
    Not a fan of the crowds. I'm aiming to move to a small village within commuting distance of London as soon as that becomes financially viable for me (assuming I'm able to do what I want to do.)

    I think being London savvy will help with applying to places at least, but I agree, it won't make that much difference, and again, I'd value the quiet of Warwick as being more important to me than being London savvy.

    Ahh, so you're one of those people. Complete opposite of me in that respect. Which is funny as I'll most likely be firming Warwick if I get rejected from Cambridge.
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    (Original post by adam0311)
    So the prestige of a university is based off of the 10 people that wikipedia links? You do realize that not everyone who should be linked is linked?

    Did you go through the KCL list? Half of them transferred to Oxbridge for law school and another portion didn't even get their LLB from KCL.

    Honestly UCL's is quite impressive. So all this did was reinforce my initial opinion, that KCL's alumni list doesn't match UCL's or LSE's.
    If they are worthy of linking, they would have been linked.

    If half of the KCL law grads are good enough to head to Oxbridge and then make a name for themselves, I don't see why half of Durham or Warwick law grads cannot do the same.

    Yes, LSE and UCL alumni are better than KCLs.

    The fact there is that they are all based in London and there is an advantage in that to be near the centre for law.

    If you look at employment records of grads in general, the golden triangle are top 6. It is obvious why Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial. The other 2 have a strong London advantage.
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    (Original post by Doughnuts!!)
    Ahh, so you're one of those people. Complete opposite of me in that respect. Which is funny as I'll most likely be firming Warwick if I get rejected from Cambridge.
    :rofl:

    Yeah, I'm one of those, wish I wasn't, but I am

    Well, hopefully, that situation won't arise, but should it, Warwick is solid. It's not too far away from Coventry for those of us who prefer city living, like my friend who goes there. He raves about how the ability to have both a quiet working environment, and a good nightlife in commuting distance.

    Why you'd want to go to the second best university in the UK in the first place is beyond me though Warwick would be much better.
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    (Original post by LutherVan)
    If you look at employment records of grads in general, the golden triangle are top 6. It is obvious why Oxbridge, LSE and Imperial. The other 2 have a strong London advantage.
    "Grads in general." Yuck.

    Keep it specialised, let's not include information that has no real use other than to provide better evidence for your own assertion.

    Imperial doesn't even do Law for a kick-off, rendering it utterly useless in this discussion, especially as for Law, the alma matas of MC workers would be much better evidence. For the record, I was looking at the CVs of Barristers at Brick Court Chambers, from the random sample I took (Names that sounded cool) not one didn't go to Oxbridge, very few didn't do the BCL, and some even went to Harvard.

    I would assume at the top firms, you'd find relatively equal numbers of Warwick and KCL grads.
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    (Original post by Mann18)
    :rofl:

    Yeah, I'm one of those, wish I wasn't, but I am

    Well, hopefully, that situation won't arise, but should it, Warwick is solid. It's not too far away from Coventry for those of us who prefer city living, like my friend who goes there. He raves about how the ability to have both a quiet working environment, and a good nightlife in commuting distance.

    Why you'd want to go to the second best university in the UK in the first place is beyond me though Warwick would be much better.
    Yeah, Warwick is awesome. :love: Though I can see the isolated nature of the campus eventually getting to me...

    *sharp intake of breath*

    You want to go there, eh? Cambridge is the best university in the world whereas Oxford sucks! :fyi:

    If I could swap positions with you, I would decline the Oxford offer and go to QM. :p:
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    (Original post by lewy038)
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    (Original post by Mann18)
    "Grads in general." Yuck.

    Keep it specialised, let's not include information that has no real use other than to provide better evidence for your own assertion.

    Imperial doesn't even do Law for a kick-off, rendering it utterly useless in this discussion, especially as for Law, the alma matas of MC workers would be much better evidence. For the record, I was looking at the CVs of Barristers at Brick Court Chambers, from the random sample I took (Names that sounded cool) not one didn't go to Oxbridge, very few didn't do the BCL, and some even went to Harvard.

    I would assume at the top firms, you'd find relatively equal numbers of Warwick and KCL grads.
    I never said Imperial did Law. I used grad in general because that is the only genuinely available information.

    In regards to number of graduates that end up in graduate level employment in general, the Golden Triangle are the top 6. Which suggest being in London is a strong advantage as many of the top universities outside London did not perform as well. Especially if you have the likes of KCL above Oxbridge.

    01) Imperial
    02) LSE
    03) KCL
    04) Cambridge
    05) Oxford
    06) UCL
    07) Bath
    08) City
    09) Robert Gordon
    10) Bradford

    13) Durham
    15)Bristol
    17) Nottingham

    Others are not even in top 20.

    If you have the record of Trainee hires for all MCs, it will be helpful.

    It has been historically been clear that over 92% of Trainee Barrister are Oxbridge grads. It is an old boy network setting in that sphere.

    I have said earlier that Oxbridge is gaps ahead of the rest because of such advantage and LSE/UCL/KCL are only negligible better than other top law schools.

    It is like Economics, Oxbridge and LSE are detached and far ahead of the next batch and have old boy network advantage.
 
 
 
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