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    Oh those Iranians, they so crazy. G'damnit, why don't the Saudis just invade them...
    And I find it funny people love the idea of bringing democracy to places like that, when it's quite clear that the democracy they want involves hating us
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    (Original post by yousif92)
    Thats not the point i was trying to make (though admittedly i got distracted). In 1979, the world saw its largest revolution. The sheer size of it meant that when the shah had to flee, he HAD TO FLEE. The people clearly didn't want a secular state. They clearly wanted an islamic state. With a nation of 90% shia muslims, many of whom are predominantly poor, they will choose a shia islamic government over a secular one. That does not mean i condone irans treatment of, say, bahai's or any other group. The point im making is that is pretty much the culture in iran. I was there a few years ago (under Khatami) during a pilgrimage in mashad. From what i saw in Tehran and all the way through the roads to mashad were shia muslims. Naturally, this is going to be reflected in their constitution, rules and government (mind you, i was pretty young when i was there, but i remember it well...
    Dude, why are you trying to teach me about the revolution?

    FYI, the 1979 revolution was not an Islamist run affair. Secularists, civic nationalists, socialists, Marxists, communists, feminists and all manner of other non-theocratic groups were instrumental in the Revolution. Which is why, as you point out, it was so popular. People viewed it as a chance to get democracy and freedom not to live under yet another dictatorship.

    The Islamic fundamentalists obviously took hold of power after the revolution and crushed all dissent, which was not what the revolution was fought for.

    Iranians are so nice, how can i not remember their hospitality)....
    Well then I'm sure you'll realise that stoning is not a part of Iranian "culture".
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Dude, why are you trying to teach me about the revolution?

    FYI, the 1979 revolution was not an Islamist run affair. Secularists, civic nationalists, socialists, Marxists, communists, feminists and all manner of other non-theocratic groups were instrumental in the Revolution. Which is why, as you point out, it was so popular. People viewed it as a chance to get democracy and freedom not to live under yet another dictatorship.

    The Islamic fundamentalists obviously took hold of power after the revolution and crushed all dissent, which was not what the revolution was fought for.



    Well then I'm sure you'll realise that stoning is not a part of Iranian "culture".
    So you are trying to tell me that the power balance between socialists et al. was somehow equal to the islamic one??? Im sorry, but this is madness...



    ...But when I see that you are a member of the zionist society, i realise that exaggeration and a complete lack of contextual understanding goes bye bye.
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    (Original post by yousif92)
    So you are trying to tell me that the power balance between socialists et al. was somehow equal to the islamic one??? Im sorry, but this is madness...
    Before the Revolution? Of course. In fact, the guerilla style attacks against the Shah's regime weren't commited by the Islamists, but rather by left leaning or Marxist groups, e.g. the MEK, the OIPFG.

    Obviously after the revolution, the power shifted. But that was because of the crackdown on all non-Khomeinists. Even the moderate Muslims were ostracised.

    ..But when I see that you are a member of the zionist society, i realise that exaggeration and a complete lack of contextual understanding goes bye bye.
    Err, are you quite sure you can read?

    Last I checked, I was a member of the Kinks Society, the Pink Floyd Society and the Eurosceptic Society. Pray tell, which of those has anything to do with Zionism?
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    (Original post by yousif92)
    That is a good point, but we are in no position to play these "moral" games (as states). A child being beaten is universally accepted as bad. But a woman being executed for a "crime" (in her culture it is viewed as a crime) is not a universally accepted law. My point is that morality IF morality is not absolute, then we cannot ever point the finger to others who have different cultural values.
    No, it isn't universally accepted as bad hence why the child is getting beating up and I bet I can find many more child beaters. Also, you're appealing to the majority. Why does it matter whether or not it's universal or only a minority believe? If we were in a time period where the majority practised slavery, would I have no grounds to abolish it because it was universally accepted? How is that a crime though? If someone was arrested for being black, would you just brush it off as a crime? She wasn't infringing nobody's rights ergo the state shouldn't infringe hers. Also, how do you know it's in her culture? Since when did the government of a country make up the culture or represent the culture?

    (Original post by SomaliMan)
    loooool, help them hahah, funny joke bro, don't act like a dumb american BALEEEEZ, goverments don't care about other people, like they'v got no trouble killing millions in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet they want to help this one person.
    Yes because they were aiming and shooting to indiscriminately kill Iraqis and Afghanistan's.:rolleyes: Also, why does it matter what they have done before? If they're doing right now by helping this person, then I don't see the problem. There have been many cases in which western governments have pressured others to free citizens or foreigners who supposedly committed a 'crime'.
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