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    (Original post by Imperatore)
    Conservatives joining forces with the Lib Dems is like an elitist joining with a common tramp.
    Not necessarily. Surely any true Conservative or Liberal would share core beliefs on a small role of Government in the economy and society as a whole, leaving people free to prosper for the benefit of everyone (in theory).
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    (Original post by tc92)
    Not necessarily. Surely any true Conservative or Liberal would share core beliefs on a small role of Government in the economy and society as a whole, leaving people free to prosper for the benefit of everyone (in theory).
    also isn't it true that most liberals are upper/middle class hippies? No working class people i know vote liberals cos they aint got a hope in hell of ever getting in, so we vote for one of the two big parties...the idiots voting for the tories and the socialists voting for labour
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    don't get angry or apathetic, get even:




    TUC ORGANISED MARCH ON 26th MARCH
    - 1MILLION people will be on the streets http://www.tuc.org.uk/theme/index.cf...ogetherlanding

    Animated lecture on crises of capitalism - funny, entertaining and informativehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0

    anti cuts groups http://anticuts.org.uk/

    SOMEONE TO VOTE FOR: TUSC (trade Union & Socialist Coalition) http://www.tusc.org.uk/index.php

    Socialist Party http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/main/Home
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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    They also cut child tax credits. I think that's the most shameful thing they did last year. I know trebling the tuition fees was particularly sick, but what was utterly vile was touching child tax credits. By saying if one partner in a married household earns over 40K then you're not entitled to child tax credits, then you're effectively introducing the preference for marriage in the sphere of tax breaks; I think that's deplorable. Not to mention governments should invest in babies from the earliest age right the way through their university education.

    This coalition is sick.
    Why should you be rewarded for having children?

    Child Tax Credit is a rather un-needed aid in my opinion. If you want a child, you should be able to look after it without taking handouts from the government. It should be done away with all together, as should many other benifits.

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    don't get angry or apathetic, get even:




    TUC ORGANISED MARCH ON 26th MARCH
    - 1MILLION people will be on the streets http://www.tuc.org.uk/theme/index.cf...ogetherlanding

    Animated lecture on crises of capitalism - funny, entertaining and informativehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0

    anti cuts groups http://anticuts.org.uk/

    SOMEONE TO VOTE FOR: TUSC (trade Union & Socialist Coalition) http://www.tusc.org.uk/index.php

    Socialist Party http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/main/Home
    Yay, lets go back to the 3 day week :rolleyes:
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      I don't hate the coalition because more than likely the alternative of labour especially in the first few months would have been much worse than the coalition because of the splintered party and at best it would have only been as good as the coalition is now. I'm taking the glass is half full approach.
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      Every party had a deficit reduction plan, anyone who say's cutting spending was not required is insane. However, the cuts such as in child tax credits could have been handled much better due to the loophole allowed there.
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      (Original post by Steevee)
      Why should you be rewarded for having children?

      Child Tax Credit is a rather un-needed aid in my opinion. If you want a child, you should be able to look after it without taking handouts from the government. It should be done away with all together, as should many other benifits.



      Yay, lets go back to the 3 day week :rolleyes:
      You're really, really stupid then, in my opinion.
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      (Original post by BlocFFC)
      Every party had a deficit reduction plan, anyone who say's cutting spending was not required is insane. However, the cuts such as in child tax credits could have been handled much better due to the loophole allowed there.
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      Osbournes cuts are 81bn over 4 years...

      there is an annual 40-120bn tax gap. 2.5m (and rising) people out of work is not helping. creating jobs means less people being paid the dole and more in work - which means they are paying income tax and have money to spend to stimulate the economy. The richest 100 people gor 77bn richer lasy year - the biggest ever increase since records began - they could pay more tax. No cuts need to be made, not all of the above needs to be implemented to the full (though i think it should) you can play around and between the 3 - collecting tax set, more people paying tax and less spent on welfare (creating jobs) and taxing the super rich you can cut the deficit by 81bn over 4 years just as the tories are suggesting. however you don't need to cause the misery that they will inflict.
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      I hate my body clock and the fact I find it impossible to revise, but no I do not hate the coalition.
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      (Original post by lesbionic)
      You're really, really stupid then, in my opinion.
      And so are you in mine. Doubely so because of that last post.

      Please, try to answer constructivley
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      (Original post by Steevee)
      And so are you in mine. Doubely so because of that last post.

      Please, try to answer constructivley
      Can I answer when I'm not wasted please? I will answer constructively tomorrow but that main point is that is utterly unacceptable. I'll quote some figures tomorrow. But the bottom line is you cannot deny child tax credit to anyone- you seem to think only the worst off in society rely on child tax credit - not true - ever heard recently in the broadsheets about the 'squeeze' on the middle classes? The cuts to child tax credit specifically target the middle classes where one partner earns more than 40,000 a year.
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      (Original post by lesbionic)
      Can I answer when I'm not wasted please? I will answer constructively tomorrow but that main point is that is utterly unacceptable. I'll quote some figures tomorrow. But the bottom line is you cannot deny child tax credit to anyone- you seem to think only the worst off in society rely on child tax credit - not true - ever heard recently in the broadsheets about the 'squeeze' on the middle classes? The cuts to child tax credit specifically target the middle classes where one partner earns more than 40,000 a year.
      That's not what I think at all.

      I think there should be not Child Tax Credit.

      But, yeah, sure.
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      (Original post by badtothebone)
      Osbournes cuts are 81bn over 4 years...

      there is an annual 40-120bn tax gap. 2.5m (and rising) people out of work is not helping. creating jobs means less people being paid the dole and more in work - which means they are paying income tax and have money to spend to stimulate the economy. The richest 100 people gor 77bn richer lasy year - the biggest ever increase since records began - they could pay more tax. No cuts need to be made, not all of the above needs to be implemented to the full (though i think it should) you can play around and between the 3 - collecting tax set, more people paying tax and less spent on welfare (creating jobs) and taxing the super rich you can cut the deficit by 81bn over 4 years just as the tories are suggesting. however you don't need to cause the misery that they will inflict.
      Poppycock.

      Let me tell you why the 'less people on the dole' argument never sees the light of day.

      Because even the more amateur of economists can work out that the State is better off providing a fixed sum, per week, say £40 or whatever it is, than to pay for that person to be doing a non-job within the bureaocracy on £16k-160K a year, with training, retraining, holidays, bonuses, and, yes, pensions.

      Nobody's saying mass unemployment is a 'price worth paying', it isn't - it's the Coalition's job to encourage private growth and business growth to create jobs. Not create jobs it can ill afford to sustain.

      Ergo: the fundamental chasm between the Labour and Conservative parties.
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      Nick Clegg is Cameron's biaatch
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      (Original post by duke5)
      Poppycock.

      Let me tell you why the 'less people on the dole' argument never sees the light of day.

      Because even the more amateur of economists can work out that the State is better off providing a fixed sum, per week, say £40 or whatever it is, than to pay for that person to be doing a non-job within the bureaocracy on £16k-160K a year, with training, retraining, holidays, bonuses, and, yes, pensions.

      Nobody's saying mass unemployment is a 'price worth paying', it isn't - it's the Coalition's job to encourage private growth and business growth to create jobs. Not create jobs it can ill afford to sustain.

      Ergo: the fundamental chasm between the Labour and Conservative parties.
      there are 5million people on the council house waiting list. building council houses would create jobs for builders, architects etc. as just 1 example. creating jobs doesn't have to be creating 'non-jobs'. you know this already.
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      (Original post by Steevee)
      Why should you be rewarded for having children?

      Child Tax Credit is a rather un-needed aid in my opinion. If you want a child, you should be able to look after it without taking handouts from the government. It should be done away with all together, as should many other benifits.
      It isn't a reward. It's money to help raise the children. And don't you EVER say they shouldn't have kids if they can't afford to keep them because that is ignorant, classist and pure arse-wipery. Everyone has the right to children even if they can't afford them. I do agree that some people (e.g. somalians) have too many kids and should have benefits for no more than 3 kids.
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      (Original post by blue_shift86)
      It isn't a reward. It's money to help raise the children. And don't you EVER say they shouldn't have kids if they can't afford to keep them because that is ignorant, classist and pure arse-wipery. Everyone has the right to children even if they can't afford them. I do agree that some people (e.g. somalians) have too many kids and should have benefits for no more than 3 kids.
      No, they shouldn't.

      There is no 'right' to have children. And that State shouldn't be expected to help you pay for your brood. If you choose to have children, then it's up to you to look after them.

      You might not have noticed,but most Middle and Upper class families, the ones that 'can afford children' only have 1 or 2, whereas those geting all the benifits and help normally have more. The largest families I know are in he underclass.

      The government will already subsidise your housing, your income and your healthcare. There is no need to subsidise your children. If you want them, you pay for them. Just like if you want anything else.
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      (Original post by badtothebone)
      there are 5million people on the council house waiting list. building council houses would create jobs for builders, architects etc. as just 1 example. creating jobs doesn't have to be creating 'non-jobs'. you know this already.
      Are you going to pay for this mass building project.
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      (Original post by Steevee)
      No, they shouldn't.

      There is no 'right' to have children. And that State shouldn't be expected to help you pay for your brood. If you choose to have children, then it's up to you to look after them.

      You might not have noticed,but most Middle and Upper class families, the ones that 'can afford children' only have 1 or 2, whereas those geting all the benifits and help normally have more. The largest families I know are in he underclass.

      The government will already subsidise your housing, your income and your healthcare. There is no need to subsidise your children. If you want them, you pay for them. Just like if you want anything else.
      having children is a right, not a privilege! So go back to downing st and give your idol Cameron a bj you arrogant douchebag
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      (Original post by badtothebone)
      there are 5million people on the council house waiting list. building council houses would create jobs for builders, architects etc. as just 1 example. creating jobs doesn't have to be creating 'non-jobs'. you know this already.
      Broken window fallacy.
     
     
     
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